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okay can you hear me

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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here with another edition of UFO news

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network Sunday tonight on a what's

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tonight it's Thursday night Thursday

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night we're ready to go no guests

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tonight it's just me and my trusty

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sidekick with a little update on what's

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going on with these reported documents

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that are floating around so let me bring

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in my sidekick my co-host my old pal

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chant Hannah chant how are you doing

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tonight I'm doing well Jake how are you

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I'm doing great and that noise

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disappeared magically in the background

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I don't know what happened there

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but we are ready to go we're gonna do a

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little show tonight about the Admiral

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Wilson and alien autopsy and Edgar

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Mitchell documents and we've got some

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new information for you I think it's

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going to be pretty interesting so you're

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going to want to tune in we're finding

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out more about this stuff and people are

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following up by doing some good stuff

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about it and chant look you want to get

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started what do we got yeah we have some

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interesting things to go over tonight

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I'll go ahead and start off with the

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first item and that is a message from

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Spiro small eros to Richard Dolan I

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talked to a spy rose earlier today and

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at length and he told me this deer chant

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I am very concerned that mr. Dolan is

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using my copyrighted materials to

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further enhance his stories which are

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wholly and unequivocally untrue and in

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the process casting concerns to third

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parties who now believe that I am in

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some way spreading misinformation when

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that is exactly what mr. Dolan is doing

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here I would like to give him the

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benefit of the doubt and ask him to

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please remove all of my materials from

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his sites and all media and especially

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to retract what he is saying about my

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creation the entire alien autopsy

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footage as released by Ray Santilli in

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Santilli has never owned any genuine

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1947 alien autopsy film and this entire

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episode will end up in a very costly

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lawsuit for some I do not want mr. Dolan

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to continue without a fair written

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warning of the seriousness of his

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actions and the damages they are causing

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me both in stress and financial if you

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are able please forward this miss to mr.

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Dolan also please ask him to contact me

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at my email address which I will be

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Frank and I actually wonder if I should

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read that email address on live but I'll

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go ahead and contact the Dolans and give

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them that information myself and then he

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said many thanks for your help in this

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matter Spyro smell Eris and then he

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triple WS Pyro's melora's calm and I'll

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read that that's SP yr OS m is in mom e

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alien autopsy calm and then he went on

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to say this to answer your question

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chant in the cases where my materials

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as YouTube and subscription sites etc

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financial repercussions as you might

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I am always fair but it seems that those

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abusing in fact stealing my materials

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don't seem to consider the fact that it

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is copyright theft and illegal that is

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what he had to say about that Frank so

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it doesn't sound like he is really happy

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with Richard Dolan and there have

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these documents to one extent or another

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the case with him he's usually pretty

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conservative but for some reason he's

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really jumped on this and really pushed

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it a grant Cameron of course he had

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late last year and then Steven Greer who

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the whole thing he was the person

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all his support for these documents a

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grant you know a little and he held on

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got the biggest thing ever maybe he's

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forthright and of course Greer is that

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very good light he was doing some very

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good work back in those days there's a

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not to be trusted

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that got out rather famously denied that

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UFO subject when in fact that meeting

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maybe like a like around eight you know

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regarding the Peterson's interest in the

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legit event and maybe you know certainly

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defense contractor I do know that a

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particular individual has been ID'd that

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researcher that I hold in high regard

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not surprised I won't give you the guy's

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name I'm not gonna give that away

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very interesting but Dolan is he's gone

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maybe to a lesser extent Grant into an

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even a lesser extent Steven Greer are

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just not thinking that any of it is

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false so that any of it is manufactured

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one of these guys have done or ever yet

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comment that they made about this I

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caught enough I did think was

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interesting I think it was on the Jimmy

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length about the the number of different

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documents and one point that he made

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when the mids letter to dr. Edgar

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Mitchell was brought up he described

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that letter being addressed to Mitchell

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as purported so even and you know the

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the main reason that I questioned that

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doc and I'm jumping around a little bit

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here but the main reason I questioned

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that dog is not so much that there's

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anything startling in the document that

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they're in the letter we had somebody

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pretty ordinary to him and they looked

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at looked legitimate but because these

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other documents are clear such clearly

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cut and paste jobs the way they're kind

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of slapped together that raises

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questions about that letter right I

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wouldn't have even questioned that

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letter but the fact that it's tied to

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these two other documents the Wilson

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notes and also the AAA email exchanges

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and memorandums of notes that are

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attached to that that does raise some

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questions about that it's sort of a

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situation where somebody lies to you

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consistently comes to you and say hey

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yeah it's a sunny nice day outside now

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why aren't you outside and you want to

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check and see if it's a really sunny

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outside before you go out without a

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raincoat get my meaning

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there's just the whole package is

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corrupted and manufactured in my view

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and so that is the reason that I'm

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skeptical about that so we got there

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pretty much everything to say about that

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mids letter out of the way and you've

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got a little more a little bit more

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okay well do ya I'm not even sure where

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to start because hahaha there's been so

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much ridiculous stuff said about the

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topic of the alien autopsy memo the

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alien autopsy film

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an 18-minute long film and then also the

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smoking gun document which is also known

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as the document of the century and the

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core secrets document and I just found

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it rather interesting also that

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most important person on the planet

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because he was given the smoking gun

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document I don't understand why that is

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supposed to be the case because and I

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know it sounds a little silly to people

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and I've said this before but we are all

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peers here no one is more important than

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anybody else and a document or an

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alleged document does not make anybody

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more important than anyone else so

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although it sounds a little random that

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the burden of proof regarding a document

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or an alleged document allies with the

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person who's making the claim and I just

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also have an issue with something that

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you and I had to go over regarding the

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smoking gun document with Michael Hall

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now when I say smoking gun document the

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word document conjunction with smoking

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gun I want to give a big disclaimer to

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everybody I don't believe this is a real

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document so when I say document I'm not

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saying it in the sense that it's real

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okay I say that with air quotes every

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time now haha now Michael Hall made it

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clear to us that this document was given

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to Grant Cameron allegedly and I think

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at a UFO convention it was Paul's

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conference I think it was November of

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last year right and the individual that

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allegedly gave this document to him and

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he's also come forward to to make sure

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that we understand it was him

295
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James Rigney he handed this smoking gun

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document to Grant Cameron and grant

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Cameron

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hold onto it and we talked to Michael

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and asked Michael oh why did grant

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Cameron not do his due diligence on this

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document

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what does due diligence means it all it

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means is doing once research meaning

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contacting folks who might be allegedly

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involved in the document if there's

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people being mentioned which there are

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numerous people and not one time did

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grant Cameron actually contact a single

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individual in the amount of time that he

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held onto that document according to

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Michael Hall and Michael hall said the

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reason for this is because he he being

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grant he did not want to alert anyone to

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the document he was holding and he did

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not want anyone to certain he didn't

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want to raise any flags so to speak to

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let anyone know that he had this

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document now the the problem I have with

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this is after the smoking gun document

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without redactions was let go on the

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internet for all to read and it may have

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been there earlier but everybody noticed

323
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it around the same time because I think

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it was posted on reddit and that alert

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people to it right away or honest site

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on on a sort of social media site where

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people would notice it right away right

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Frank is that correct yeah yeah yeah but

329
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anyway the point is is everybody in the

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UFO community so to speak I use that

331
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loosely that what I'm saying there

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everyone loosely that term that when

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everybody saw the smoking gun document

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then my question to grant is since

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everybody knew about The Smoking Gun

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memo and it was no secret anymore

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and there were no reductions on it and

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everybody could see the names of

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everybody allegedly involved in it why

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then did he not pick up the ball run

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with it

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and start calling and contacting all of

343
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these people it took you to one

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four hours to do it me 48 I was right

345
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behind you what was so funny about that

346
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by the way is while you were busy

347
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contacting one person I was doing my due

348
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diligence contacting the same individual

349
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we just didn't even talk about it that's

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that's how much we were working the

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program that was that was a very

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interesting time because yes I gave

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Michael the heads up we had no idea what

354
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we were gonna find we're we gave Michael

355
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a heads up so there were some folks it

356
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was it kind of a tough interview for him

357
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because we had him on that following

358
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Tuesday night and it was we were tough

359
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on him there's no doubt about it you

360
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know I'm not sure he was really

361
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expecting that but we were a little

362
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tough on him we but we told him well he

363
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knew that we were following out well

364
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yeah long expressed I'd express my

365
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skepticism and been very specific about

366
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what to look out for and things like

367
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that right holy mackerel there it all is

368
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you know so you did Michael a favor and

369
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gave him information so about I think it

370
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was that let's see

371
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commander Willard Miller for him to

372
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okay all right well we'll just leave it

373
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at that because I recall that there was

374
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a little bit more information shared

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with Michael about how to begin the

376
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process of contacting commander Willard

377
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we're taking this as far as we can but

378
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even so at that point in time I had no

379
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idea we'd be successful now okay yeah

380
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well the point is whether you did share

381
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a little bit of information for Michael

382
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Hall to run on in order to contact

383
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Mandor Willard which by the way we're no

384
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experts on commander Willard Miller

385
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regarding how to contact him we had to

386
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do our own due diligence to find him

387
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ourselves also okay but anyway grant

388
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Cameron had all the opportunity on the

389
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planet to contact everybody involved

390
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allegedly in The Smoking Gun

391
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document and according to Michael Hall

392
00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:49,050
he did not yeah yeah that's another

393
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thing too you got to remember there some

394
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:54,330
young guns out there like Danny Silva

395
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James John Dalli Joe mirja at least

396
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Danny and James knew that this had

397
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already been posted because there was a

398
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reddit post about it and they gave grant

399
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grant the heads-up right away I'm

400
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thinking what kind of research is that

401
00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:11,640
you know I wanted to see these docs

402
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:13,320
absolutely when I first heard about it

403
00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:14,940
one way or the other let's find out

404
00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:17,400
what's in there and let's dig in and

405
00:19:21,980 --> 00:19:19,860
find out you know that that's what

406
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researchers are supposed to do and the

407
00:19:27,890 --> 00:19:26,100
idea of like sitting on it or passing

408
00:19:30,140 --> 00:19:27,900
the word along to grant when this stuff

409
00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:30,150
is already out this is out you know once

410
00:19:34,670 --> 00:19:32,370
something's out it's out and once it's

411
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,680
posted publicly on imgur and anybody who

412
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has the link and access it you know

413
00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:39,780
right so so again if you're a researcher

414
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:41,400
you go do your job you go do it you're

415
00:19:48,260 --> 00:19:42,720
supposed to do you go research you

416
00:19:53,390 --> 00:19:48,270
follow up alright so as much as a higher

417
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:53,400
regard as I hold grant and and James as

418
00:19:59,620 --> 00:19:57,330
well you know you know you don't sit on

419
00:20:04,970 --> 00:19:59,630
this kind of thing you follow up on it

420
00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:04,980
okay so I just you know like I said the

421
00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:06,840
burden of proof lies with the individual

422
00:20:11,780 --> 00:20:08,910
making a claim who's making the claim

423
00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:11,790
the claim is being made by Michael Hall

424
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and Grant Cameron that Grant Cameron is

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the most important person on the planet

426
00:20:22,150 --> 00:20:19,800
because he has a document called The

427
00:20:25,460 --> 00:20:22,160
Smoking Gun or the course secrets

428
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:25,470
document or also called the document

429
00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:29,610
this century and which makes no sense to

430
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:30,390
me whatsoever

431
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:33,090
but anyway add that in addition to that

432
00:20:37,370 --> 00:20:35,010
that the document is real as it stands

433
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:37,380
now it's too bad that we're being used

434
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:38,930
for a lesson in this classification

435
00:20:45,380 --> 00:20:42,240
error here regarding these alleged this

436
00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:45,390
alleged doc what evidence and proof are

437
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:47,790
in reality compared to what people have

438
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:50,250
brought forward and tacked on their

439
00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:53,490
so-called data two different things

440
00:20:57,889 --> 00:20:55,559
there has been an egregious

441
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:57,899
miss classification Aaron calling these

442
00:21:03,019 --> 00:21:00,840
so-called the so-called document as

443
00:21:06,499 --> 00:21:03,029
authentic as it stands in its entirety

444
00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:06,509
if we are to accept in totality what

445
00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:09,740
Richard Dolan grant Cameron Michael Hall

446
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:13,110
melinda Leslie and many others are

447
00:21:20,539 --> 00:21:17,850
saying is so-called evidence that that

448
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,549
is what we have to rely upon rather than

449
00:21:27,230 --> 00:21:22,679
circumstantial evidence to prove these

450
00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:27,240
this hoax is real as it stands is not

451
00:21:32,930 --> 00:21:30,289
acceptable even worse

452
00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:32,940
according to melinda Leslie we're

453
00:21:37,180 --> 00:21:34,529
supposed to believe the people who

454
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:37,190
allegedly perpetrated these hoaxes are

455
00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:42,480
not allowed according to her supposed to

456
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:46,710
admit they did do their duty that they

457
00:21:51,889 --> 00:21:49,980
that they are involved due to their

458
00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:51,899
being in a unique position of not being

459
00:21:57,369 --> 00:21:53,340
able to reveal their alleged true role

460
00:22:03,889 --> 00:21:57,379
in these hoaxes which I do not accept

461
00:22:07,249 --> 00:22:03,899
and also allows folks in her position to

462
00:22:11,019 --> 00:22:07,259
not provide circumstantial evidence to

463
00:22:13,879 --> 00:22:11,029
back up that this document is real now

464
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:13,889
this type of skewed logic does not apply

465
00:22:20,779 --> 00:22:18,450
because it makes no sense

466
00:22:22,369 --> 00:22:20,789
and in fact further proves the innocence

467
00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:22,379
of the people who have been thrust into

468
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,940
the alleged roles they are supposed to

469
00:22:30,499 --> 00:22:26,720
have played in these hoax documents

470
00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:30,509
now if kit green moving on to do you

471
00:22:38,749 --> 00:22:31,830
want to move on to kick run or do you

472
00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:38,759
want you okay I'm gonna go ahead and I'm

473
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:41,340
gonna mix up The Smoking Gun and alien

474
00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:44,100
autopsy memo together but I will be sure

475
00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:46,710
to refer to each one when I'm talking

476
00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:49,559
about each one so folks can follow okay

477
00:22:55,399 --> 00:22:52,980
now the alien autopsy memo

478
00:22:59,419 --> 00:22:55,409
if Kip green really believes he played a

479
00:23:03,519 --> 00:22:59,429
role in this Bigelow memo then why does

480
00:23:07,299 --> 00:23:03,529
he one not know how put offs first name

481
00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:07,309
he calls him Halbert instead of Harold

482
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:09,220
you would think

483
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:11,530
they are peers he would actually know

484
00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:14,799
the name of his own colleague right yeah

485
00:23:19,020 --> 00:23:17,590
you would think so you would think a few

486
00:23:23,419 --> 00:23:19,030
things that were pointed out that our a

487
00:23:32,250 --> 00:23:29,820
yes and and if he's wrong he would

488
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:32,260
definitely have corrected himself by now

489
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:34,690
since he is acutely aware of these

490
00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:37,570
emails how do we know he is because

491
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:40,510
Richard Dolan interviewed him apparently

492
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,960
a few times now regarding let me jump in

493
00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:49,120
here to those go ahead exchange was

494
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:51,190
under some very odd circumstances he did

495
00:23:58,940 --> 00:23:53,049
a green doesn't want to be quoted

496
00:24:01,140 --> 00:23:58,950
directly and so on basically yes the

497
00:24:03,210 --> 00:24:01,150
apparently at some point in time at

498
00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:03,220
least part of the email exchanges are in

499
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:05,260
fact accurate that that green is

500
00:24:09,299 --> 00:24:07,090
acknowledged as much and that at one

501
00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:09,309
point in time he did think that there

502
00:24:13,649 --> 00:24:11,740
was legitimacy to the alien autopsy

503
00:24:15,870 --> 00:24:13,659
video he's changed his mind on that of

504
00:24:18,270 --> 00:24:15,880
course it's kind of a no-brainer at this

505
00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:18,280
point to know that the alien autopsy

506
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:22,870
video is a complete fabrication that

507
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:26,220
there are no legitimate frames from a

508
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:29,650
original film that was destroyed or due

509
00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:33,610
to time and weathering and whatnot is no

510
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:38,860
longer playable and it just it never

511
00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:41,289
happened there's not a single aspect of

512
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:42,820
the alien autopsy video that's

513
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,850
legitimate and I mean Green realizes

514
00:24:49,169 --> 00:24:47,440
that now but apparently at one point in

515
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,179
time he didn't and it sort of came out

516
00:24:54,029 --> 00:24:51,520
that these private email exchanges

517
00:24:57,659 --> 00:24:54,039
indicated that he did and obviously you

518
00:24:59,520 --> 00:24:57,669
know and hey yeah but if I had a private

519
00:25:02,520 --> 00:24:59,530
exchange with you 20 years ago about

520
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:02,530
those about that video I thought hey you

521
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:04,690
know chant you know I think this might

522
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,370
be legit you know and you probably would

523
00:25:11,779 --> 00:25:07,840
have smacked me upside my head and say

524
00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:11,789
you know snap out of it but but that

525
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,870
apparently wasn't the case during the

526
00:25:17,970 --> 00:25:15,760
course of these exchanges then that

527
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,980
didn't come about until later so again

528
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,320
it goes back to that that kind of famous

529
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:21,760
quote that I've heard grant used many

530
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:22,690
times some of it

531
00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:24,730
true some of it's not true and you got

532
00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:27,160
to figure out what's what and we also

533
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:31,180
know that how the alien autopsy memo is

534
00:25:39,570 --> 00:25:35,290
rather oddly constructed Frankie yes let

535
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:39,580
me finish okay okay now so we know that

536
00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:44,880
he'll put off should have called his

537
00:25:54,750 --> 00:25:51,040
cohort I'm sorry his colleague kit green

538
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,760
should have called how Harold if he was

539
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:56,080
going to use a full name rather than

540
00:26:03,450 --> 00:25:59,820
Robert in the alien autopsy memo now

541
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:03,460
moving along number two brain write a

542
00:26:10,350 --> 00:26:07,810
rug a in the alien autopsy memo when you

543
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:10,360
go into that you will see it's very

544
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:15,130
clear that that kit refers to the brain

545
00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:20,880
as rug a rug is not a part of the brain

546
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:25,230
that is a part of the stomach area and

547
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:27,250
it's really important that people

548
00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:30,850
understand that he actually made that

549
00:26:36,510 --> 00:26:34,630
mistake now this person is a scientist

550
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:36,520
is that right or he's a doctor

551
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:40,870
is that right okay and so I just would

552
00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:44,170
like to know why would he not understand

553
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,630
that the brain reggae has to do with I'm

554
00:26:58,910 --> 00:26:51,760
sorry there's no such thing and that has

555
00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:01,490
let me let me finish please

556
00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:07,240
thank you well I mean go go ahead but I

557
00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:09,070
still have to finish what I have to say

558
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:11,980
sure we have we have we have all night

559
00:27:17,730 --> 00:27:14,110
and into tomorrow I don't have to be to

560
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:17,740
work for another 15 hours okay we got

561
00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:19,140
that kind of time

562
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:22,360
okay don't I forgot what I was going to

563
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:25,810
say although I was talking about brain

564
00:27:32,670 --> 00:27:29,410
Ruggie which was so odd because that has

565
00:27:34,530 --> 00:27:32,680
nothing to do with the brain it has to

566
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:34,540
do with the stomach and you would think

567
00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:36,130
that a person in kids position

568
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:39,820
would actually know that so you were

569
00:27:44,909 --> 00:27:42,880
gonna comment on that yeah basically I

570
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:44,919
think this comes down to the rather odd

571
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:49,809
well this alien autopsy document is a

572
00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:52,510
it's a word processing document there's

573
00:27:56,010 --> 00:27:53,470
no question about that

574
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,020
okay the end up in a word processor and

575
00:28:01,230 --> 00:27:58,720
it includes emails which obviously were

576
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,240
copied and pasted over so lots of

577
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:02,559
different things could have been

578
00:28:07,890 --> 00:28:04,660
inserted in there you know like the

579
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:07,900
unusual email addresses with John

580
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:11,200
Alexander and I believe also how put off

581
00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:14,230
having a GM email at General Motors

582
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:17,350
email addresses whatever okay I'm gonna

583
00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:20,350
go ahead and go for that okay okay

584
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:23,080
alright so let me go ahead and finish

585
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:26,409
this up and I'm sorry I actually wanted

586
00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:28,510
to make sure that I I get this correct

587
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:30,220
when I when I talk about it it'll just

588
00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:34,570
take a second okay let me see if I can

589
00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:43,900
find that just one moment okay so I lost

590
00:28:49,289 --> 00:28:47,860
my talk a little bit about the word

591
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:49,299
processing nature of this particular

592
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:50,350
document

593
00:28:56,820 --> 00:28:55,150
no I I'll just finish I just have a few

594
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:56,830
more sentences I'm sorry I might as well

595
00:29:01,500 --> 00:28:58,450
finish this because it's just gonna bug

596
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:01,510
as well okay now the brain the brain

597
00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:03,580
does not have reggae already it that's

598
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:05,380
relegated to the stomach area of the

599
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:05,830
body

600
00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:08,950
why would KITT green actually call part

601
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:11,980
of the body and incorrect a name when

602
00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:14,230
that is not what it's assigned to it the

603
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:17,020
other the which is number three did I

604
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:21,490
answer that because I think yes let me

605
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:23,710
finish this number three the email

606
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:28,330
addresses are wrong okay in in the alien

607
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:31,330
autopsy memo it specifically states that

608
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:40,529
located in general at general for

609
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:43,690
General Motors in Singapore now I talked

610
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:48,010
to John Alexander and he told me that he

611
00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:49,660
not only never worked for General

612
00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:53,140
Motors that he also never worked in

613
00:29:59,100 --> 00:29:56,470
Singapore now how put off also has an

614
00:30:04,950 --> 00:29:59,110
email address in the alien autopsy memo

615
00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:04,960
and it is according to the email address

616
00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:08,590
listed for General Motors in Singapore

617
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:12,580
same as John Alexander and he'll put off

618
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:15,700
never worked for General Motors or in

619
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:20,350
Singapore according to John Alexander

620
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:24,600
who has known how put off for decades

621
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:29,890
now now the the email headers don't make

622
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:31,900
any sense either I don't mean all of

623
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:34,930
them there's an email header in the

624
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:37,750
alien autopsy memo which if you look at

625
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,530
it very closely actually makes no sense

626
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:44,080
whatsoever it looks like it was

627
00:30:50,190 --> 00:30:46,840
literally copied and pasted like

628
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:50,200
stitched together and it there's really

629
00:30:56,010 --> 00:30:53,410
no way according to the research I've

630
00:30:59,490 --> 00:30:56,020
done that the email would have a header

631
00:31:01,710 --> 00:30:59,500
like that now the other thing which is

632
00:31:06,620 --> 00:31:01,720
number five is there's no such thing as

633
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:06,630
the alien autopsy movie before 1995

634
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:10,360
because the alien autopsy movie was not

635
00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:14,050
made before 1995 now why do I bring that

636
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:17,470
up because my understanding according to

637
00:31:26,670 --> 00:31:22,080
Philip mantel an individual who is a

638
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:26,680
person who publishes books and he also

639
00:31:34,620 --> 00:31:29,590
has been a researcher involved in

640
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:34,630
ufology for decades he said this that he

641
00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:36,580
told Richard Dolan there was no way kick

642
00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:38,200
rain could have seen the same thing as

643
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:40,420
depicted in the alien autopsy film at a

644
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:44,410
briefing at the Pentagon in 87 1987 or

645
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:47,590
1988 unless he had a time machine in the

646
00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:49,750
leaked memo kick rain then went on to

647
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:52,060
deliver his professional opinion on the

648
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:54,370
alien autopsy film at no point did he

649
00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:57,250
say it was human and alien or a dummy he

650
00:32:02,400 --> 00:31:59,410
stated it was real that it was his

651
00:32:03,330 --> 00:32:02,410
professional opinion Richard told Phil

652
00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:03,340
Phil

653
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,680
mantle how very clever this man

654
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:07,840
apparently is well he wasn't that clever

655
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:10,720
was he that is what Phillip mantle said

656
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:13,690
in the threat of a post about Richard

657
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:18,280
Dolan and this topic so it's important

658
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:21,190
that that distinction is made clear and

659
00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:24,880
then also let's see what else I think

660
00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:28,780
there was another right you can see it

661
00:32:35,910 --> 00:32:33,100
with the Alexander GM Singapore okay and

662
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:35,920
there's a super odd paragraph of a rant

663
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:40,150
regarding a worldwide New World Order

664
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:42,460
conspiracy so to speak that is both

665
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:45,970
unprovable and sounds uneducated silly

666
00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:51,010
and paranoid by kick cream now that does

667
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,870
that make it not real no it's just

668
00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:54,640
something I wanted to mention that I

669
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:56,860
find this very strange to have in that

670
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,170
series of emails where there's a bunch

671
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:01,840
of scientists or folks of high caliber

672
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:04,720
high caliber regarding their education

673
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:07,720
talking about a really strange topic

674
00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:10,740
that has absolutely no supportive

675
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:15,640
support nothing to back up or prove

676
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,250
regarding what kit is allegedly saying

677
00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:21,840
in that rent right you know yeah I think

678
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:25,990
the explanation I think is that someone

679
00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:28,210
got hold of original documents and

680
00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:30,760
obviously ginned a lot of stuff up in

681
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:33,100
there you know doctored the text and not

682
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:34,990
played around with it the same way that

683
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:36,730
the will Miller claimed that his letter

684
00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:39,100
or his purported letter to Eric Davis

685
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:42,670
was you know manipulated and different

686
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:44,350
pieces from different correspondences

687
00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:46,900
were cut and pasted together so I think

688
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:49,750
that's especially in a case like this

689
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:51,940
where you're talking about a word

690
00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:54,490
processing doc

691
00:34:03,090 --> 00:33:59,050
anybody can do it you know right yeah

692
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:03,100
now if now what does all this error

693
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:05,290
feeding regarding contaminating these

694
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,780
alleged docs with in a curious what

695
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:10,000
inaccuracies what does this do these

696
00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:11,800
people are trying too hard to prove

697
00:34:16,829 --> 00:34:15,550
something that is not provable the best

698
00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:16,839
interpreter of what

699
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:18,909
happened here with the smoking gun

700
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:22,859
document and the alien autopsy memo our

701
00:34:30,959 --> 00:34:26,649
evidence facts and proof and the

702
00:34:33,419 --> 00:34:30,969
evidence and the facts are these alleged

703
00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:33,429
documents do not stand as real as they

704
00:34:37,289 --> 00:34:34,749
are in their entirety

705
00:34:39,989 --> 00:34:37,299
there's no corroborating evidence or

706
00:34:41,819 --> 00:34:39,999
additional evidence that we have to go

707
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:41,829
on regarding these alleged documents to

708
00:34:45,690 --> 00:34:43,929
real veel them as real in any way shape

709
00:34:47,279 --> 00:34:45,700
or form so what if we learn regarding

710
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:47,289
everything that has been pushed at us in

711
00:34:51,299 --> 00:34:49,210
the UFO community regarding these

712
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:51,309
alleged documents and that we are

713
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:53,049
supposed to accept the worst kind of

714
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:55,690
alleged data possible that these

715
00:34:59,130 --> 00:34:57,880
supposed documents are real that they

716
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,140
are real even though the so-called

717
00:35:05,849 --> 00:35:00,880
evidence improved people are being

718
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,859
bringing to the table is is false even

719
00:35:10,019 --> 00:35:07,839
though what has been brought forward

720
00:35:11,999 --> 00:35:10,029
violates the actual fundamental

721
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:12,009
principles of what is supposed to be

722
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:14,710
evidence and proof why this is the

723
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,170
question we need to ask why would all of

724
00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:19,359
these people try so hard to make

725
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,880
something that is a fairy tale come true

726
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:24,160
what do they have to gain from this

727
00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:27,069
let's go into this now okay now well for

728
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:31,420
Greer for Greer this the the Wilson

729
00:35:37,739 --> 00:35:34,960
meeting was a big deal so the fact that

730
00:35:40,319 --> 00:35:37,749
the document comes out and purports to

731
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:40,329
basically verify what he's been saying

732
00:35:44,249 --> 00:35:42,729
that that's a big deal for him sorry I

733
00:35:46,499 --> 00:35:44,259
don't really have a problem with him

734
00:35:47,729 --> 00:35:46,509
getting behind that and to his credit I

735
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:47,739
think he was a little bit more

736
00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:50,950
circumspect about that knids letter to

737
00:35:54,089 --> 00:35:52,390
mitchell so i think that's very

738
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:54,099
interesting but I don't really blame him

739
00:36:00,989 --> 00:35:58,960
for that and with a grant situation it

740
00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:00,999
might just be like I said earlier

741
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:02,920
perhaps a little bit of loyalty to Dolan

742
00:36:09,809 --> 00:36:07,680
because they you know he he himself was

743
00:36:11,099 --> 00:36:09,819
willing to admit that maybe I got

744
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:11,109
something maybe I don't

745
00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:14,049
so and it's it's really been Dolan who's

746
00:36:17,489 --> 00:36:15,190
kind of been out there leading the

747
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:17,499
charge that these documents are the leak

748
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:19,450
of the century and nothing could be

749
00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:20,650
further from the truth

750
00:36:25,499 --> 00:36:23,380
okay now Dolan has had a multitude of

751
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:25,509
podcasts on this very topic shopping the

752
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:30,190
a am as real now maybe he's not doing

753
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:30,610
that

754
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:32,890
but in the beginning it certainly seemed

755
00:36:38,850 --> 00:36:36,790
to you and I that he was shopping around

756
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:38,860
the alien autopsy memo I call that the

757
00:36:43,350 --> 00:36:41,050
aam just so everybody understands what

758
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:43,360
I'm talking about as real what do you

759
00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:44,950
think about that is that correct Frank

760
00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:48,280
well my understanding from the last time

761
00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:49,780
that I heard him that this isn't going

762
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:52,630
to go away that they're still working on

763
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:54,370
it and in fact I do know that that's the

764
00:37:01,020 --> 00:36:57,610
case but that what I know that is being

765
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,030
followed up on if the basic the

766
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,040
structure of these unacknowledged

767
00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:05,680
programs these special access programs

768
00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:10,300
and who might be managing the the

769
00:37:17,580 --> 00:37:12,190
corporate end for Lockheed you know

770
00:37:19,650 --> 00:37:17,590
obviously a former top-notch officer

771
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,660
who's gone into the private sector who's

772
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:21,520
kind of shepherding these types of

773
00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:23,710
programs along keeping an eye on them

774
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:25,600
making sure that the prying eyes don't

775
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:28,060
really find out what's going on that is

776
00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:29,650
my understanding about what's being

777
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:31,900
looked at how plugged in Dolan install

778
00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:34,030
that I really don't know but I do know

779
00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:35,560
some good researchers are working on

780
00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:38,230
that and that's a good thing that's a-ok

781
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:41,980
you know in the UFO racket I mean

782
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:43,810
there's no such thing as a fast nickel

783
00:37:48,090 --> 00:37:45,880
everything is slowed dimes it takes a

784
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:48,100
while so it's been you know 20 years

785
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:53,220
since that initial Greer Wilson Miller

786
00:37:58,530 --> 00:37:56,560
Mitchell meeting took place and we find

787
00:38:00,930 --> 00:37:58,540
out more about it now but that's kind of

788
00:38:02,970 --> 00:38:00,940
par for the course that's no big deal I

789
00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:02,980
have said even before this stuff came

790
00:38:07,830 --> 00:38:05,020
out even if they are fake there might be

791
00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:07,840
some value in there and obviously there

792
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:08,980
are some folks who are looking at the

793
00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:11,890
value and they're on it and I say good

794
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:13,420
luck hopefully we do find out more about

795
00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:17,020
it but the idea of purporting these

796
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:21,700
documents to be legitimate in in that

797
00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:24,910
effort is a mistake I think again now

798
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:27,160
you should go back to a grant Cameron's

799
00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:29,260
quote you know some of it's true some of

800
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:30,760
it's false and you got to figure out

801
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:32,740
which is okay that quote that you keep

802
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:35,020
talking about this from a grant Cameron

803
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:36,490
he's where I'm glad he was right at that

804
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:39,790
point oh okay yeah but he did not say

805
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,900
don't know why I don't you need to make

806
00:38:50,939 --> 00:38:48,400
that clear because you know what you're

807
00:38:54,449 --> 00:38:50,949
doing or is you're using a quote of

808
00:38:56,219 --> 00:38:54,459
grants that he is not applying which

809
00:38:58,229 --> 00:38:56,229
should be exactly

810
00:38:59,969 --> 00:38:58,239
regarding the but you need to make that

811
00:39:02,009 --> 00:38:59,979
clear because people don't know when you

812
00:39:03,449 --> 00:39:02,019
say that he might be saying that in

813
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:03,459
conjunction with this which he's not

814
00:39:10,709 --> 00:39:07,529
which is important because he should

815
00:39:12,299 --> 00:39:10,719
agree and grant has spoken over the

816
00:39:14,459 --> 00:39:12,309
years at that great length about

817
00:39:16,739 --> 00:39:14,469
disinformation and you know here's some

818
00:39:20,669 --> 00:39:16,749
disinformation and they're embracing it

819
00:39:24,059 --> 00:39:20,679
make any sense to me mmm okay well and

820
00:39:26,279 --> 00:39:24,069
now grant Cameron the person who alleges

821
00:39:29,249 --> 00:39:26,289
he was given this hoax

822
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:29,259
doc by another person James Rigney

823
00:39:34,439 --> 00:39:32,170
Brittany and also grants lawyer Michael

824
00:39:36,299 --> 00:39:34,449
Hall all claim these things are real

825
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:36,309
they stand what do they have to gain by

826
00:39:41,219 --> 00:39:40,390
saying the aam is real now that hold on

827
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:41,229
let me finish

828
00:39:46,049 --> 00:39:43,900
Melinda Lesley same situation says they

829
00:39:48,419 --> 00:39:46,059
are real the list is much longer than

830
00:39:50,309 --> 00:39:48,429
this than the amount players that I

831
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:50,319
mentioning here all claiming these docs

832
00:39:53,669 --> 00:39:52,150
are real as they stand there's another

833
00:39:55,529 --> 00:39:53,679
group of people we won't mention who

834
00:39:58,739 --> 00:39:55,539
they are they all hang out together and

835
00:40:00,929 --> 00:39:58,749
they all I guess call themselves

836
00:40:03,569 --> 00:40:00,939
researchers regarding this the the topic

837
00:40:05,459 --> 00:40:03,579
of the aam and SG which stands for

838
00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:05,469
smoking gun document but they have not

839
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:07,630
come forward with anything regarding

840
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:10,630
facts evidence and proof just to

841
00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:12,910
actually unequivocally state or prove

842
00:40:18,419 --> 00:40:15,880
that these two items are real as they

843
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:18,429
stand in their entirety now let's go

844
00:40:23,549 --> 00:40:20,529
over what data evidence and facts and

845
00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:23,559
proof really are now it's very simple

846
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:25,900
evidence is the available body of facts

847
00:40:28,999 --> 00:40:27,369
or information indicating whether a

848
00:40:31,979 --> 00:40:29,009
belief or proposition is true or valid

849
00:40:34,769 --> 00:40:31,989
now a facts that is a thing that is

850
00:40:36,839 --> 00:40:34,779
known approved to be true proof that is

851
00:40:38,789 --> 00:40:36,849
evidence or an argument establishing or

852
00:40:40,529 --> 00:40:38,799
helping to establish a fact or the truth

853
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:40,539
of a statement none of these things have

854
00:40:44,969 --> 00:40:42,670
happened with the alien autopsy memo and

855
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:44,979
the smoking gun document now we've had

856
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:47,529
anecdotal stories we've had a lot of

857
00:40:53,819 --> 00:40:49,689
podcasts we've not had any of that

858
00:40:55,919 --> 00:40:53,829
happen yet now what we've established

859
00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:55,929
now that we've established what evidence

860
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,880
facts and proof are

861
00:41:01,320 --> 00:40:59,680
my point is this all these players that

862
00:41:03,390 --> 00:41:01,330
involved in this game of claiming these

863
00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:03,400
alleged docs are real we either have to

864
00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:06,460
believe that one they really believe

865
00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:08,380
despite evidence and facts to the

866
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:11,260
contrary that these people do not know

867
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:13,570
what those are evidence facts are proof

868
00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:16,150
that they don't know what that is - that

869
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:18,040
they're not intelligent enough to know

870
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:20,230
what it is meaning they have not

871
00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:22,210
educated themselves on the classic

872
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:23,740
definition of what these terms really

873
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:26,680
mean three or they refuse to believe

874
00:41:33,870 --> 00:41:29,230
what evidence facts are proof is because

875
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:33,880
they have an agenda for is that they or

876
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:35,710
someone in the mixer designed this

877
00:41:41,490 --> 00:41:38,260
document for reasons unknown to us five

878
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:41,500
it helps to revive a person's career six

879
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:45,610
an intelligence agent designed the aam

880
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:48,670
and SG for kicks either by themselves or

881
00:41:54,090 --> 00:41:51,400
with the help of an inside person or an

882
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:54,100
expert on hoaxes hoaxing genuine looking

883
00:41:59,880 --> 00:41:57,310
documents seven a government created

884
00:42:02,640 --> 00:41:59,890
this elaborate hoax to keep the topic of

885
00:42:05,070 --> 00:42:02,650
ufology as a fringe topic and to firmly

886
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:05,080
set us in place as a topic of hilarity

887
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:07,770
to be made fun of to not take seriously

888
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:09,910
especially since some of the science of

889
00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:12,850
it is wrong brain reggae for example and

890
00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:14,790
the history of it cannot be corroborated

891
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:17,560
meaning the Singaporean conspiracy

892
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,590
reference that kit made in the aam among

893
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:22,480
many other pseudo historical statements

894
00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:27,760
being made by him regarding a it doesn't

895
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:28,360
matter anyway

896
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:30,670
number eight getting evidence facts and

897
00:42:36,810 --> 00:42:34,510
proof requires too much work now we must

898
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:36,820
be vigilant and methodical when

899
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:38,050
researching for facts

900
00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:39,730
evidence or proof I know this takes a

901
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:43,300
lot of work okay but this is the only

902
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:44,920
manner in which research is taken

903
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:47,410
seriously outside of ufology and it is

904
00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:49,510
also the most logical approach to the

905
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:51,640
phenomenon and other topics we all love

906
00:42:57,150 --> 00:42:54,610
to learn more about we have been fed a

907
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,160
lot of error feeding regarding these

908
00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:00,160
documents there's a lot of anomalies in

909
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,440
the sense of discrepancies and how they

910
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:04,720
there are more than handful of those in

911
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:09,010
the aam and the SG and how it's unusual

912
00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:11,650
how one or two might you know

913
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:13,900
it's okay if one or two discrepancies

914
00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:15,850
that might be expected regarding a

915
00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:18,340
document for people to go over if

916
00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:20,080
somebody's claiming it's real okay catch

917
00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:22,750
a few of them but but the large number

918
00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:24,670
of anomaly said do not fit into the

919
00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:26,320
categories of facts evidence or proof

920
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:29,320
and all fall into the categories of

921
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,570
error strange commentary discrepancies

922
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:34,480
and total fiction that's when red flag

923
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:36,250
should be raised regarding possibly

924
00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:38,200
that we're not only looking at enough

925
00:43:42,510 --> 00:43:40,750
sent a document that's not authentic but

926
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:42,520
are looking instead at an elaborately

927
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:45,190
designed hoax well let's look at this in

928
00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:49,090
more detail okay and go ahead yeah real

929
00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:51,700
quick point number one another thing

930
00:43:57,150 --> 00:43:53,350
that you didn't mention was the fact

931
00:43:59,970 --> 00:43:57,160
that these the Wilson notes contain a

932
00:44:03,150 --> 00:43:59,980
lot of the same tropes that have been

933
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:03,160
and included in known disinformation

934
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:06,070
like the mj-12 documents and more

935
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:08,590
specifically the circus serpo documents

936
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:11,110
which you know nobody thinks is

937
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:14,370
legitimate I think just about everybody

938
00:44:19,590 --> 00:44:17,500
recognizes that they are hopes documents

939
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:19,600
there's nothing legitimate about those

940
00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:21,610
at all and those tropes were something

941
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:23,350
that I mentioned even before this

942
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:25,510
document came out and one thing I'll

943
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,130
tell you what I'm glad I'm glad this

944
00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:28,960
document came out is that when we had

945
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:31,990
Michael on the show before the docs came

946
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:33,910
out I said the best thing that could

947
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:35,650
happen is for this stuff that come out

948
00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:38,290
and let's all have a crack at it and see

949
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:40,600
what's what and as it turned out that's

950
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:42,070
exactly what happened and I'm glad it

951
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:42,430
did

952
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:45,130
because you know despite our criticisms

953
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:47,740
of some other researchers that are maybe

954
00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:50,110
taking this stuff too lightly and not

955
00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:52,600
backing up their claims with much of

956
00:44:59,850 --> 00:44:55,840
anything to tell you the truth these

957
00:45:02,850 --> 00:44:59,860
these documents they're out there now

958
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:02,860
and we've all got our crack at and I

959
00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:04,900
think that's a good thing and that's

960
00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:06,580
that's what research is all about and

961
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:10,360
frankly yeah even if even though it is

962
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:12,610
in my opinion disinformation as you had

963
00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:14,920
mentioned this is a professionally put

964
00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:17,800
together likely yeah I would even go so

965
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:19,960
far to say as somebody who at least has

966
00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:22,810
some knowledge of the workings of a Bo

967
00:45:26,580 --> 00:45:24,760
I mean I'm gonna be honest I'd never

968
00:45:28,770 --> 00:45:26,590
heard of the Association of former

969
00:45:31,230 --> 00:45:28,780
intelligence officers before all this

970
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:31,240
stuff came out I had the mentor I think

971
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:32,890
it's important that you let everybody

972
00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:36,400
know who is a member of a Pheo according

973
00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:42,670
to your research yes and that means he's

974
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:44,350
a member of the intelligence community

975
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:45,280
is that correct

976
00:45:52,380 --> 00:45:50,140
not necessarily yeah he's been involved

977
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:52,390
in classified programs he has security

978
00:45:56,660 --> 00:45:54,550
clearances okay what level I'm not sure

979
00:45:59,640 --> 00:45:56,670
exactly what did not but a Pheo

980
00:46:01,530 --> 00:45:59,650
membership is relatively open I mean you

981
00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:01,540
don't have to be like a former CIA agent

982
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:04,990
or to join a few the a journalist you

983
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:13,570
can yeah you could probably join I do

984
00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:15,640
want to let folks know who we have

985
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:18,430
interviewed regarding the alien autopsy

986
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:23,650
memo and The Smoking Gun documents and

987
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:25,060
again I don't believe they're real

988
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:26,470
documents so when I say the word

989
00:46:32,940 --> 00:46:29,220
documents I say that with air quotes now

990
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:32,950
we have we have interviewed a both Frank

991
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:36,640
and I separately commander Willard

992
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:41,460
Miller I have done it multiple times and

993
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:44,650
Frank has also interviewed him we've

994
00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:47,650
interviewed Michael W Hall we've

995
00:46:57,450 --> 00:46:49,900
interviewed I have talked to Philip

996
00:47:00,750 --> 00:46:57,460
mantel is it okay may I have a moment to

997
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:00,760
go into some detail about that look hold

998
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,170
on to that thought because I'm gonna

999
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:04,000
mention a list of people we've

1000
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:06,130
interviewed now people go who is that

1001
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:08,050
what you need to understand is if you

1002
00:47:12,030 --> 00:47:09,580
don't know who any of these people are

1003
00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:12,040
they are still in some one way or

1004
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:13,840
another connected to the alien autopsy

1005
00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:18,160
memo more than likely and the smoking

1006
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:22,780
gun document and I believe Philip mantel

1007
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:24,490
might actually be directly mentioned in

1008
00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:27,250
the alien autopsy memo now so I've

1009
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:30,280
talked to Philip mantle mantle multiple

1010
00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:30,850
times

1011
00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:33,100
Spyros melora's I have actually

1012
00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:36,280
interviewed him and talked to him many

1013
00:47:41,610 --> 00:47:39,640
about this topic Ray Santilli I

1014
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:41,620
interviewed him for 45 minutes

1015
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:44,490
that's something almost nobody knows and

1016
00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:47,890
it was about the alien autopsy movie of

1017
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:51,670
course and I also interviewed multiple

1018
00:47:57,060 --> 00:47:53,890
times a total of 2.5 hours

1019
00:48:00,300 --> 00:47:57,070
Gary Shu field of the alien autopsy film

1020
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:00,310
and he along with Ray both agree that

1021
00:48:05,490 --> 00:48:03,280
they're very good friends and Melinda

1022
00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:05,500
Leslie we've interviewed her on our

1023
00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:07,660
podcast regarding this topic these

1024
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:10,750
topics and interestingly enough we did

1025
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:14,350
not see eye to eye with her on the aam

1026
00:48:22,860 --> 00:48:19,630
and the SG and and then also I did

1027
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:22,870
actually find an individual regarding

1028
00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:27,040
the pepper spray company in the smoking

1029
00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:30,070
gun document I was able to contact that

1030
00:48:34,770 --> 00:48:32,590
company they did call me back I will be

1031
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:34,780
talking to them soon and that's

1032
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:37,240
important because a Willard Miller said

1033
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:39,130
that he believed that that company was

1034
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,170
out of business it turns out they're not

1035
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:43,200
they're still in business

1036
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:45,490
go ahead on what you were talking about

1037
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:53,110
Frank please well so I was mentioning

1038
00:49:00,600 --> 00:48:57,850
Ray Santilli Gary shoot oh go ahead

1039
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,610
obviously yeah we are quite convinced

1040
00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:03,280
that documents have been manufactured in

1041
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,120
some way and in our conversation first

1042
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:09,040
he obviously believes that to the whole

1043
00:49:14,670 --> 00:49:12,910
kid kibou manufacturer but yeah he

1044
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:14,680
brought it he dropped the name and I

1045
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,270
don't know if I've done it on the show

1046
00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:18,160
yet or not but he dropped the name Rick

1047
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:21,580
Doty and yeah my response was yeah you

1048
00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:24,250
know I haven't ruled him out and one

1049
00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:26,620
interesting sidenote you had mentioned

1050
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:28,750
that perhaps some people were taking

1051
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:31,390
advantage of this may have been involved

1052
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:33,970
in the actual construction and I just

1053
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:36,370
point out not saying anything beyond

1054
00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:38,350
this but I do just point out that in

1055
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:40,300
Steven Greer's most recent movie

1056
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:44,770
unacknowledged he had Dodie featured in

1057
00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:48,010
the film and went so far as to portray

1058
00:49:52,420 --> 00:49:49,240
him as

1059
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:52,430
heroic whistleblower which we both know

1060
00:49:57,550 --> 00:49:54,730
from some conversations that we've had

1061
00:50:00,700 --> 00:49:57,560
some there are some people in the field

1062
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:00,710
namely Alejandro Rojas and Shane Hurd

1063
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:03,590
who obviously don't agree with that

1064
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,110
characterization at all there are

1065
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:08,000
they're quite that even now even more

1066
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:09,830
negative than I am under a toady so that

1067
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,890
Rick Rick Doty does have some haters out

1068
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:14,720
there there's no question about that but

1069
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:17,630
I do mention that in passing and yeah

1070
00:50:22,510 --> 00:50:20,930
this is the kind of thing that well if

1071
00:50:25,330 --> 00:50:22,520
you ever would get the chance to watch

1072
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:25,340
the movie documentary Mirage men you

1073
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,960
might want to take a look at it and I

1074
00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:28,880
also know we've talked about that this

1075
00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:32,230
at at some length on the show Dodi's

1076
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:35,990
mentioned during the TTS a unidentified

1077
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:40,490
series Lou Elizondo couldn't have been I

1078
00:50:45,490 --> 00:50:43,130
think more vociferous and his

1079
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:45,500
condemnation of Dodi basically coming

1080
00:50:50,740 --> 00:50:47,570
out and saying I'm not Rick Doty and it

1081
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:50,750
does seem that that has Dodi gets that

1082
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:52,310
reaction from some people who were

1083
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:54,830
definitely insiders in the field because

1084
00:51:02,110 --> 00:50:58,130
I do note that someone was comparing Ron

1085
00:51:04,330 --> 00:51:02,120
Pandolfi basically held the the the same

1086
00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:04,340
s spot in the CIA that kid green did

1087
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,260
after green moved along that he took

1088
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:08,720
over that spot and that that kind of

1089
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:10,430
drew him out of the woodwork he didn't

1090
00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:13,490
take too kindly to that and definitely

1091
00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:16,340
Dodi's not a popular guy another thing I

1092
00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:17,990
note regarding Dodi is that Grant

1093
00:51:22,210 --> 00:51:20,600
Cameron is written that he has spoken

1094
00:51:26,380 --> 00:51:22,220
recently to Dodi and found it very

1095
00:51:30,340 --> 00:51:26,390
enlightening which I find you know an

1096
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:30,350
unfortunate thing to say okay what I'm

1097
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:33,590
gonna do right now is I'm gonna drop the

1098
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,610
link to the smoking gun document right

1099
00:51:41,470 --> 00:51:39,440
there so everybody can actually see it

1100
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,480
because you know one thing and I'm gonna

1101
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:44,000
drop the link to the alien autopsy memo

1102
00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:46,340
also in this talk because one thing I

1103
00:51:50,530 --> 00:51:48,230
have noticed that podcasters have not

1104
00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:50,540
done I'm not sure if we're guilty of

1105
00:51:54,220 --> 00:51:52,190
this I have to check to see if we have

1106
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:54,230
included this information other podcasts

1107
00:51:57,940 --> 00:51:56,330
if not I apologize for not having done

1108
00:52:01,240 --> 00:51:57,950
that but I don't think that we have

1109
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:01,250
shared this link these links enough with

1110
00:52:04,580 --> 00:52:02,610
the public so

1111
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,590
they can understand what the hell we're

1112
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:06,720
talking about you know they should at

1113
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:08,850
least be able to actually go and look at

1114
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:10,290
these documents whether they think

1115
00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:16,020
they're real or faked right so but still

1116
00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:18,150
it's still important to share something

1117
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:22,950
like that so I just shared in the chat

1118
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:26,400
room for our podcast the link to the

1119
00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:29,190
smoking gun doc which is also known as a

1120
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:33,750
document of the century and the course

1121
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:34,470
secrets

1122
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:42,810
wanted to do is yes that is what that is

1123
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:45,030
let me go ahead and just one moment let

1124
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:48,750
me go ahead and state that that hold on

1125
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:55,890
that is the link to the smoking gun dog

1126
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:00,480
just when do you have the week okay go

1127
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,180
ahead and put down the link to the alien

1128
00:53:07,610 --> 00:53:04,800
autopsy memo that's what it was that you

1129
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:07,620
just shared no actually it is not this

1130
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:09,780
is actually what I just shared the web

1131
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:13,110
archive.org that is a link to an article

1132
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:16,920
from a james defense which covers in

1133
00:53:24,590 --> 00:53:20,130
some detail how special access programs

1134
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,600
operate which okay basically what greer

1135
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:26,400
and Mitchell and Wilson and Miller we're

1136
00:53:33,590 --> 00:53:29,090
talking about okay and do you have that

1137
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:33,600
smoke the alien autopsy link because if

1138
00:53:41,090 --> 00:53:39,300
do you have that or not okay find it if

1139
00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:41,100
you can't I know I have that somewhere

1140
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:42,990
while you're looking for that what I was

1141
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:44,970
going to do is read something that I

1142
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:47,850
have never read before and it is an

1143
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:50,760
astounding interview that I did with

1144
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:53,160
commander Willard Miller that I have not

1145
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:57,000
published yet and this is what he said

1146
00:54:04,820 --> 00:54:01,200
when I talked to him recently I asked

1147
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:04,830
him which portions of this purported

1148
00:54:09,020 --> 00:54:07,050
letter attributed to yourself is

1149
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:09,030
something that you may have written or

1150
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:11,550
potentially discussed with dr. Eric

1151
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:14,970
Davis he says he does not recall ever

1152
00:54:20,359 --> 00:54:16,440
talking

1153
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:20,369
- Eric Davis about anything were you

1154
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:22,650
ever interested in finding out about the

1155
00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:24,900
noted pepper spray manufacturing company

1156
00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:26,579
mentioned in the correspondence or do

1157
00:54:30,130 --> 00:54:29,339
you recall knowing of its officer mr.

1158
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:30,140
zucchero

1159
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,990
his answer is he knew joe zucrow only in

1160
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:35,760
the sense of the company and the company

1161
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:38,040
when he was working in the non-lethal

1162
00:54:42,589 --> 00:54:40,619
weapons technology but he would never

1163
00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:42,599
put those two things together meaning he

1164
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:44,220
would not put that paragraph in that

1165
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:44,609
letter

1166
00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:47,220
either it was anomalous looking to him

1167
00:54:52,940 --> 00:54:51,150
and he also said the company went out of

1168
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:52,950
business and he never found out anything

1169
00:54:58,339 --> 00:54:55,140
because again the company went out of

1170
00:55:03,290 --> 00:54:58,349
business now these these questions here

1171
00:55:07,099 --> 00:55:03,300
I believe were actually posed by Michael

1172
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:07,109
Hall for me to ask commander Willard

1173
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:08,700
Miller so it's important that people

1174
00:55:14,839 --> 00:55:10,680
understand that because what happened

1175
00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:14,849
was is after after a Michael Hall and us

1176
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:17,880
you and I had an interview with Michael

1177
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:22,890
this year on this topic I asked him what

1178
00:55:25,339 --> 00:55:24,329
would you like me to ask commander

1179
00:55:27,319 --> 00:55:25,349
Willard Miller because I knew I was

1180
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:27,329
going to talk to him again and he sent

1181
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:30,359
me a series of questions had to ask him

1182
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:32,760
and so I asked he's on Michaels behalf

1183
00:55:38,260 --> 00:55:35,250
and then I also asked other questions of

1184
00:55:40,819 --> 00:55:38,270
my own of commander Miller

1185
00:55:42,109 --> 00:55:40,829
there was one quote from commander

1186
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:42,119
Miller that you had passed on to me I

1187
00:55:46,579 --> 00:55:43,800
actually turned it into a graphic which

1188
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:46,589
I've got up now but we got really quick

1189
00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:48,750
what is also strange to me knowing how

1190
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:50,579
very much averse Admiral Wilson is to

1191
00:55:54,290 --> 00:55:52,740
this subject meeting UFOs that he would

1192
00:55:56,540 --> 00:55:54,300
have met with Erik Davis and that

1193
00:55:57,740 --> 00:55:56,550
divulged this much information so I

1194
00:56:00,440 --> 00:55:57,750
thought that was an interesting quote as

1195
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:00,450
well yes that is absolutely

1196
00:56:06,020 --> 00:56:04,380
now the next question is did you know or

1197
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,030
attend the proposed meeting mentioned

1198
00:56:12,130 --> 00:56:08,480
with the force model of the universe

1199
00:56:15,260 --> 00:56:12,140
levitation teleportation and time-travel

1200
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:15,270
scientist mr. Beckwith mentioned at the

1201
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:19,020
beginning of the letter his answer he

1202
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:22,440
did meet with with mister with Bob

1203
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:24,810
Beckwith but only mainly to get a tour

1204
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:27,210
of the high magnetic field facility near

1205
00:56:30,260 --> 00:56:29,849
Tallahassee Florida he was a good friend

1206
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:30,270
of his

1207
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,450
he was a good man he had first-hand data

1208
00:56:38,330 --> 00:56:36,240
on the Philadelphia Experiment and then

1209
00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:38,340
so I went ahead and asked Miller to

1210
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:40,470
expound upon this I believe regarding

1211
00:56:47,660 --> 00:56:44,460
this topic and Commander Miller said

1212
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:47,670
purportedly it was the u.s. Eldridge but

1213
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:49,650
Bob said it had nothing to do with that

1214
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:52,620
ship it had to do with the vessel and he

1215
00:56:57,140 --> 00:56:55,260
has a picture of it and after he found

1216
00:56:59,180 --> 00:56:57,150
that pic he had it framed for him I

1217
00:57:00,980 --> 00:56:59,190
believe by the way just so everybody

1218
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:00,990
knows and that commander Miller is

1219
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:02,970
saying that he had this picture framed

1220
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:06,420
for Bob Beckwith then Miller says it

1221
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:09,300
goes on to say at that time Bob Beckwith

1222
00:57:15,590 --> 00:57:12,960
was working for GE he had he said

1223
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:15,600
Tesla's name did come up but it was not

1224
00:57:19,550 --> 00:57:17,880
mentioned but only indirectly regarding

1225
00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:19,560
that experiment because I actually asked

1226
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:21,990
about ask commander Miller about Tesla

1227
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,480
now the next question

1228
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:26,400
do you remember attending the original

1229
00:57:31,630 --> 00:57:28,920
Pentagon briefing with Admiral Wilson

1230
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:31,640
dr. Steven Greer dr. Edgar Mitchell

1231
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:34,740
yourself and others on or about April

1232
00:57:41,810 --> 00:57:37,380
9th 1997 now I want to share something

1233
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:41,820
with the audience here you have no idea

1234
00:57:47,450 --> 00:57:44,430
how important this question is to some

1235
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:47,460
researchers this is an iconic question

1236
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:51,180
so to speak this question actually has

1237
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:53,220
been addressed a few times in the UFO

1238
00:58:00,830 --> 00:57:57,420
community by to a few people that are

1239
00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:00,840
absolutely legendary and their answers

1240
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:02,040
have been amazing

1241
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:05,910
now I pose this question that Michael

1242
00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:08,340
Hall asked me to ask commander Willard

1243
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:10,590
Miller and I'll ask it again so you can

1244
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:12,450
hear the answer that he gave

1245
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,180
do you remember attending the original

1246
00:58:20,780 --> 00:58:17,760
Pentagon briefing meeting with Admiral

1247
00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:20,790
Wilson dr. Steven Greer dr. Edgar

1248
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:23,550
Mitchell yourself and others honor about

1249
00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:26,910
April 9th 1997 what was discussed at

1250
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:31,830
that meeting his answer oh yeah then I

1251
00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:34,170
said do you remember what was discussed

1252
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:36,630
at that meeting I asked him again his

1253
00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:39,900
answer only vaguely but it was mainly us

1254
00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:43,230
providing info to Admiral Wilson not the

1255
00:58:47,479 --> 00:58:43,859
other way

1256
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:47,489
around ya only the very most general

1257
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:50,249
kind of thing it was really to provide

1258
00:58:55,729 --> 00:58:52,950
info on what is going on in the civilian

1259
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:55,739
UFO investigation community worldwide

1260
00:59:01,039 --> 00:58:58,380
and that was basically the purpose of

1261
00:59:03,019 --> 00:59:01,049
the meeting and it was not to try to

1262
00:59:05,779 --> 00:59:03,029
ferret out information from the Pentagon

1263
00:59:07,999 --> 00:59:05,789
or the government or him or anything

1264
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,009
else it was basically providing

1265
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:10,079
information and maybe asking the

1266
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:11,460
question you know from his perspective

1267
00:59:15,499 --> 00:59:14,249
did the US government take this subject

1268
00:59:18,229 --> 00:59:15,509
seriously and worthy of further

1269
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:18,239
investigation and there was as I recall

1270
00:59:23,660 --> 00:59:21,720
no positive answer on that either he

1271
00:59:26,059 --> 00:59:23,670
asked if I was familiar with former

1272
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,069
Lockheed been rich regarding what he

1273
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:28,799
okay so that was the end of that and

1274
00:59:32,989 --> 00:59:31,140
there was as I recall no positive answer

1275
00:59:34,579 --> 00:59:32,999
on that either now it's going to be

1276
00:59:38,839 --> 00:59:34,589
really interesting how the UFO community

1277
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:38,849
reacts to that because that actually has

1278
00:59:44,779 --> 00:59:41,730
been asked I believe of dr. Steven

1279
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:44,789
career and also Admiral Wilson so to

1280
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:47,460
have commander Willard Miller fill in

1281
00:59:52,759 --> 00:59:50,730
the gap on what we wanted to hear from

1282
00:59:55,339 --> 00:59:52,769
him on that topic is really going to be

1283
00:59:57,049 --> 00:59:55,349
really interesting to see the reactions

1284
01:00:00,019 --> 00:59:57,059
from folks in the UFO community on that

1285
01:00:01,609 --> 01:00:00,029
now then

1286
01:00:04,339 --> 01:00:01,619
commander Willard Miller throughout our

1287
01:00:07,249 --> 01:00:04,349
discussion he asked if I was familiar

1288
01:00:08,779 --> 01:00:07,259
with former Lockheed been ret regarding

1289
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:08,789
what he has said in the past based on

1290
01:00:12,769 --> 01:00:10,920
the topic of you have followed she and

1291
01:00:14,539 --> 01:00:12,779
other things and that would lead into

1292
01:00:16,220 --> 01:00:14,549
believe that we have our own craft is

1293
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:16,230
what he said that he believes we have

1294
01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:18,839
our own craft and that he would surmise

1295
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:22,140
it was derived from et technology

1296
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:23,730
because I asked him do you believe that

1297
01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:26,160
if since we do have our own craft was it

1298
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:27,960
derived from et technology he said he

1299
01:00:32,359 --> 01:00:30,450
did believe that then he said his

1300
01:00:34,099 --> 01:00:32,369
question is why is there entire space

1301
01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:34,109
program based on a 3,000 year old

1302
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:36,900
Chinese rocket technology if in fact we

1303
01:00:42,229 --> 01:00:39,930
do have anti-gravity band much better

1304
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:42,239
non polluting ways to get around much

1305
01:00:49,339 --> 01:00:44,249
better and faster why the heck don't we

1306
01:00:51,319 --> 01:00:49,349
use it do we not use it and so that's an

1307
01:00:54,499 --> 01:00:51,329
interesting that he said that he also

1308
01:00:57,260 --> 01:00:54,509
said is that the April 25th because I

1309
01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:57,270
shared my screen with him on skype and

1310
01:01:01,700 --> 01:00:59,640
went over very carefully the smoking gun

1311
01:01:04,670 --> 01:01:01,710
document with him and multiple

1312
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:04,680
interviews and he said that the April

1313
01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:09,960
25th 2002 date because I made note of

1314
01:01:15,050 --> 01:01:11,400
that with him I brought it to his

1315
01:01:18,020 --> 01:01:15,060
attention and he said the fact that that

1316
01:01:19,810 --> 01:01:18,030
date shows there and it shows there will

1317
01:01:22,910 --> 01:01:19,820
be a conference call in a paragraph

1318
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:22,920
located in the letter that he allegedly

1319
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:25,170
wrote which he he said he did not write

1320
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:27,780
in that Eric Davis journal called The

1321
01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:31,950
Smoking Gun document that that April

1322
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,200
25th 2002 shows up at the top of the

1323
01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:37,200
letter and then also shows in a

1324
01:01:40,820 --> 01:01:38,700
paragraph in the letter that there will

1325
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:40,830
be a conference call on the 25th that

1326
01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:42,780
it's odd that it coincides with that

1327
01:01:47,690 --> 01:01:44,940
date he just he and I found that isn't a

1328
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:47,700
strange that's just a strange situation

1329
01:01:52,460 --> 01:01:50,400
there in that letter and the address in

1330
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:52,470
the city are not lined up correctly he

1331
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:54,330
would not have a space in front of the

1332
01:01:58,760 --> 01:01:56,310
first paragraph of the first part of the

1333
01:02:01,790 --> 01:01:58,770
address the address also would be left

1334
01:02:03,770 --> 01:02:01,800
or right justified one or the other not

1335
01:02:06,590 --> 01:02:03,780
in the manner in which it is partially

1336
01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:06,600
underneath the Insignia he said which

1337
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:10,200
was a poor form it was a bad copy that

1338
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:12,540
insignia and that he is a type-a

1339
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:14,730
personality and he does and he doesn't

1340
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:17,730
like things that are askew and said he

1341
01:02:22,730 --> 01:02:20,040
did meet with Bob Beckwith as we said

1342
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:22,740
earlier said the meeting was not about

1343
01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:25,440
what was allegedly stated in the letter

1344
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:28,230
and he doesn't know how anyone got that

1345
01:02:33,050 --> 01:02:30,630
meeting information now it's interesting

1346
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:33,060
that he said that because it's important

1347
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:35,220
for everybody understand somebody

1348
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:39,920
designed this letter they found out

1349
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:43,410
oddly enough that commander Willard

1350
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:46,530
Miller had a meeting with mr. Beckwith

1351
01:02:52,540 --> 01:02:49,890
and inserted that information in this

1352
01:02:55,940 --> 01:02:52,550
stitched together cut and paste letter

1353
01:02:57,830 --> 01:02:55,950
that was attributed to commander Willard

1354
01:03:02,030 --> 01:02:57,840
Miller as having written it when he did

1355
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:02,040
not so we have a person who is actually

1356
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:04,710
put together a fake letter to

1357
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:07,890
disseminate disinformation now regarding

1358
01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:10,140
his signature he doesn't know if that's

1359
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:10,950
his own signature

1360
01:03:16,030 --> 01:03:13,020
believe or not that's what he said so I

1361
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:16,040
actually really pressed him on this and

1362
01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:18,690
he said his own signature has changed

1363
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,390
over a period of time he said it's hard

1364
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:24,000
to say meaning again when I when I asked

1365
01:03:27,799 --> 01:03:25,049
him are you sure that's not your

1366
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:27,809
signature and we went over the looping

1367
01:03:33,049 --> 01:03:30,990
of it and the manner in which the

1368
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:33,059
signature was shaped and he said he

1369
01:03:37,130 --> 01:03:34,890
cannot tell from that time frame whether

1370
01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:37,140
that was his signature or not he said

1371
01:03:41,780 --> 01:03:39,030
over a period of time again he repeated

1372
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:41,790
that his signature has changed he said

1373
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:43,890
he has lost a lot of files during that

1374
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:46,049
period of time also and that he has

1375
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:48,540
files on floppy disks and nothing to

1376
01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:51,660
read them with he said there are some

1377
01:03:56,089 --> 01:03:53,579
controversial claims about the nature of

1378
01:03:57,530 --> 01:03:56,099
that project which was the Philadelphia

1379
01:04:00,339 --> 01:03:57,540
Experiment because that was brought up

1380
01:04:05,569 --> 01:04:00,349
again later in the conversation and

1381
01:04:07,789 --> 01:04:05,579
anti-gravity technology basically well

1382
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:07,799
we'll talk about that later but ok ok

1383
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:10,559
any other thing you brought up a point

1384
01:04:15,819 --> 01:04:13,980
about that Beckwith meeting that yes and

1385
01:04:18,339 --> 01:04:15,829
also there was another thing that

1386
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:18,349
clearly whoever put this stuff together

1387
01:04:24,579 --> 01:04:20,970
had some insider information knew some

1388
01:04:27,289 --> 01:04:24,589
stuff of because there is at length some

1389
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:27,299
mentioning of the fact that the Las

1390
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:30,059
Vegas chapter of a Pheo again the

1391
01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:31,440
association of former intelligence

1392
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:34,230
officers was brand-new and that they

1393
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:36,510
needed to get that off the ground and in

1394
01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:38,970
fact in September of that year when this

1395
01:04:45,020 --> 01:04:41,940
meeting between Davis and the Wilson is

1396
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:45,030
purported to have taken place that the a

1397
01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:47,369
Pheo chapter that new chapter in Vegas

1398
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:49,380
had their very first meeting and that is

1399
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,170
available in the a Pheo newsletter at

1400
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:54,480
their website on a PDF and if you look

1401
01:05:00,319 --> 01:04:57,359
in the very I've got that graphic a

1402
01:05:01,940 --> 01:05:00,329
screen grab from that newsletter and in

1403
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:01,950
the lower right hand corner you'll see

1404
01:05:07,010 --> 01:05:04,890
in October the new FeO Las Vegas chapter

1405
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:07,020
held its first meeting so there it is

1406
01:05:09,319 --> 01:05:07,380
right there

1407
01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:09,329
so somebody knew a lot of stuff to put

1408
01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:11,220
this together no question about it yeah

1409
01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:15,780
that this is that any this this was not

1410
01:05:19,220 --> 01:05:18,059
some sort of you know armchair effort

1411
01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:19,230
this is somebody who knows their stuff

1412
01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:21,660
and is definitely an insider or put this

1413
01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:22,750
together

1414
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:25,420
okay you cut in and out right when I was

1415
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:27,130
listening to see if you had actually

1416
01:05:34,140 --> 01:05:30,609
said about the research you wanted me to

1417
01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:34,150
do on a commander Willard Miller ever

1418
01:05:40,859 --> 01:05:36,670
having been in Las Vegas did you talk

1419
01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:40,869
about not mentioned that yet Wilson

1420
01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:43,270
Wilson that is the one thing that they

1421
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:45,310
have had a couple months actually more

1422
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:46,930
than a couple months to do some research

1423
01:05:51,839 --> 01:05:49,330
and see if they can actually place

1424
01:05:53,849 --> 01:05:51,849
Admiral Wilson in Las Vegas on the day

1425
01:05:56,010 --> 01:05:53,859
of the meeting of course we've got

1426
01:06:00,540 --> 01:05:56,020
someone from app go on the record as

1427
01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:00,550
saying that I'm a charter member of the

1428
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,260
Las Vegas chapter of a few and I've

1429
01:06:06,210 --> 01:06:04,480
served as an officer continuously I can

1430
01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:06,220
state without equivocation that at no

1431
01:06:09,870 --> 01:06:08,140
time in any year do we have Admiral

1432
01:06:11,849 --> 01:06:09,880
Wilson as a speaker that he had any part

1433
01:06:15,150 --> 01:06:11,859
and starting with chapter is patently

1434
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,160
false so actually when I started looking

1435
01:06:19,170 --> 01:06:16,960
at this I thought that it was probably a

1436
01:06:20,670 --> 01:06:19,180
better than 50/50 chance that Wilson

1437
01:06:22,890 --> 01:06:20,680
would have actually been in Vegas on

1438
01:06:25,470 --> 01:06:22,900
that particular date but at this point

1439
01:06:27,690 --> 01:06:25,480
in time they have not demonstrated at

1440
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:27,700
all that he was anywhere near Las Vegas

1441
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:29,530
on the particular date and of course if

1442
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,930
he's not in Las Vegas on that particular

1443
01:06:35,250 --> 01:06:33,760
date I think was October 6 I'd have to

1444
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:35,260
pull up the document when I believe it

1445
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:37,690
was October 6 of that year 2002 as I

1446
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:41,770
recall then the doc is a fake that

1447
01:06:45,450 --> 01:06:43,390
pretty much proves it if he was in

1448
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:45,460
Cleveland or Columbus or Pittsburgh or

1449
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:46,930
somewhere else somewhere other than

1450
01:06:50,849 --> 01:06:49,089
Vegas that that proves beyond any

1451
01:06:53,730 --> 01:06:50,859
question that these documents are

1452
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:53,740
manufactured or at least the Wilson dock

1453
01:06:58,410 --> 01:06:56,410
is manufactured and plus we've got

1454
01:07:00,690 --> 01:06:58,420
commander Miller on the record about the

1455
01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:00,700
letter that's included in there and the

1456
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:05,550
the curious cut and paste nature of the

1457
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:08,710
alien autopsy emails and then sort of

1458
01:07:17,339 --> 01:07:12,880
like the nondescript nature of the the

1459
01:07:21,060 --> 01:07:17,349
letter from needs from Bigelow to Edgar

1460
01:07:23,370 --> 01:07:21,070
Mitchell so we've got we've got all that

1461
01:07:24,990 --> 01:07:23,380
and that that adds up to I think quite a

1462
01:07:31,230 --> 01:07:25,000
bit that that creates some real problems

1463
01:07:33,450 --> 01:07:31,240
for the pro dock people exactly so okay

1464
01:07:34,829 --> 01:07:33,460
so did you have any anything else that

1465
01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:34,839
she wanted to bring up I know I have a

1466
01:07:38,300 --> 01:07:36,420
few things that I wanted to bring up

1467
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:38,310
yeah let me let me talk about some of

1468
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:39,870
the things that that Gillan has talked

1469
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:42,210
about that have not come to pass number

1470
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:44,490
one calling this the leak of the century

1471
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:46,200
that was obviously a little bit of

1472
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:49,020
hyperbole but he also said that the news

1473
01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:50,910
media would be picking up on this and

1474
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,400
that certainly has not happened in any

1475
01:07:57,980 --> 01:07:56,160
way shape or form the the news media is

1476
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,990
covering a lot of things new news is

1477
01:08:02,510 --> 01:08:00,240
coming out of the day but this

1478
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:02,520
particular story has not attracted their

1479
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:04,980
attention in any way shape or form it

1480
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:06,780
did back in the day when Billy Cox

1481
01:08:12,140 --> 01:08:08,970
followed up with Admiral Wilson himself

1482
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:12,150
a number of years ago about this

1483
01:08:17,540 --> 01:08:13,890
particular meeting and then of course

1484
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:17,550
Wilson had denied that much of anything

1485
01:08:26,330 --> 01:08:22,110
came of it just you know just as

1486
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,340
commander Miller had said and that that

1487
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:28,560
was kind of it and that was a decade ago

1488
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:30,420
now I think maybe even more than a

1489
01:08:35,180 --> 01:08:33,450
decade and now we haven't seen the the

1490
01:08:37,250 --> 01:08:35,190
news media pick up on this but the

1491
01:08:38,990 --> 01:08:37,260
bottom line is this and I said this the

1492
01:08:40,460 --> 01:08:39,000
first night that we had Michael on you

1493
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:40,470
have pretty much have to prove that

1494
01:08:44,900 --> 01:08:43,050
Admiral Wilson was in Vegas and they

1495
01:08:46,750 --> 01:08:44,910
haven't done that yet and I'm not sure

1496
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:46,760
that that any effort is going into that

1497
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:49,680
Thomas Wilson is a pretty common name so

1498
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:51,480
he's not that easy a guy to find at

1499
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:53,250
least he hasn't been for me yet I did

1500
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:54,810
that put some effort into it earlier on

1501
01:09:01,460 --> 01:08:58,440
but not been able to track him down but

1502
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:01,470
was he in Vegas on that day again when

1503
01:09:04,580 --> 01:09:03,330
this all started I thought that there

1504
01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:04,590
was a pretty good chance that he was

1505
01:09:09,770 --> 01:09:06,120
that these documents are that well

1506
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:09,780
researched but you know after getting

1507
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:12,650
this quote from the FeO officer and

1508
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:15,450
reading the the periscope newsletter

1509
01:09:19,370 --> 01:09:16,410
from a Pio

1510
01:09:21,209 --> 01:09:19,380
I would say that is less likely the case

1511
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:21,219
now

1512
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:23,839
so I think that's that's about where

1513
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:29,330
that is all right yeah if you have any

1514
01:09:32,769 --> 01:09:30,770
more comments please do go ahead and

1515
01:09:34,959 --> 01:09:32,779
make them yeah I think I've covered all

1516
01:09:36,249 --> 01:09:34,969
the new stuff we keep hearing that more

1517
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:36,259
stuff is going to come out but to be

1518
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:38,089
honest with you nothing in the way of

1519
01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:40,370
evidence the evidence the new evidence

1520
01:09:44,769 --> 01:09:42,440
that's been ginned up by good bad

1521
01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:44,779
indifferent I mean stuff like Eric Davis

1522
01:09:48,340 --> 01:09:46,279
being a member of a PA I think that's

1523
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:48,350
interesting the fact that the a Pheo

1524
01:09:53,530 --> 01:09:51,890
chapter is brand spanking new on the the

1525
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:53,540
date that this meeting is purported to

1526
01:09:56,350 --> 01:09:55,070
take place that's something that you

1527
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:56,360
know you would think that there they can

1528
01:09:59,229 --> 01:09:57,890
run with that they can take that and run

1529
01:10:01,419 --> 01:09:59,239
with that but they're not they're not

1530
01:10:04,209 --> 01:10:01,429
even going with that there's literally

1531
01:10:06,010 --> 01:10:04,219
no new evidence it's just this consensus

1532
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:06,020
is built up that these documents come

1533
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:07,850
from Edgar Mitchell well there's no

1534
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:09,890
consensus there you know there's a

1535
01:10:14,140 --> 01:10:11,810
there's Dolan talking about it maybe a

1536
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:14,150
couple other people grant I think is

1537
01:10:19,419 --> 01:10:16,370
mentioned it maybe as maybe as I can't

1538
01:10:21,820 --> 01:10:19,429
recall specifically but there's no proof

1539
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:21,830
that this package of documents came from

1540
01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:24,770
your Mottola I mean it might have and

1541
01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:26,540
even if it did it still doesn't make the

1542
01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:28,940
documents true but again that's not a

1543
01:10:32,620 --> 01:10:31,070
consensus that's just a bunch of people

1544
01:10:34,959 --> 01:10:32,630
sitting around agreeing with each other

1545
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:34,969
and just sort of investigating by

1546
01:10:41,620 --> 01:10:40,250
Proclamation okay yes and okay I'm glad

1547
01:10:44,430 --> 01:10:41,630
you said that because there's been a lot

1548
01:10:47,729 --> 01:10:44,440
of yes-men so to speak regarding

1549
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:47,739
everybody there's a clique of people

1550
01:10:54,340 --> 01:10:51,890
that all run together and want to all

1551
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:54,350
agree with each other which is how

1552
01:11:00,729 --> 01:10:57,920
they've come off to us about these two

1553
01:11:05,229 --> 01:11:00,739
alleged documents smoking gun and they a

1554
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:05,239
a.m. and I find it interesting that they

1555
01:11:09,130 --> 01:11:07,190
would do that it's sort of a support

1556
01:11:12,430 --> 01:11:09,140
network for each other and you know

1557
01:11:14,350 --> 01:11:12,440
there's really no need to have you know

1558
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:14,360
try and run with the popular crowd on

1559
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:16,910
something like this because I would

1560
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:19,250
rather not be in the popular crowd so to

1561
01:11:24,910 --> 01:11:23,120
speak or a clique of people where we're

1562
01:11:28,510 --> 01:11:24,920
acting like yes men to validate each

1563
01:11:30,939 --> 01:11:28,520
other and rely on evidence facts and

1564
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:30,949
proof by the way proof is very elusive

1565
01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:33,410
it's very hard to get that and then

1566
01:11:39,870 --> 01:11:35,640
under

1567
01:11:42,209 --> 01:11:39,880
ourselves and go along with you know the

1568
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:42,219
trendy thing to do or whatever it is

1569
01:11:46,110 --> 01:11:44,170
everybody trying to go along with each

1570
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:46,120
other now wanted to bring up something

1571
01:11:51,149 --> 01:11:48,580
about Melinda Leslie and that is on our

1572
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:51,159
show when we interviewed her the gist of

1573
01:11:56,580 --> 01:11:53,350
one of her main points about why we

1574
01:11:59,100 --> 01:11:56,590
believe need to believe her that the

1575
01:12:04,140 --> 01:11:59,110
smoking gun document is real in its

1576
01:12:10,140 --> 01:12:04,150
entirety is something that she had to

1577
01:12:15,090 --> 01:12:10,150
say and that was that no comment it

1578
01:12:17,610 --> 01:12:15,100
would be a breach of security regarding

1579
01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:17,620
anything that's classified

1580
01:12:25,410 --> 01:12:23,260
and I I basically I had I had a problem

1581
01:12:28,890 --> 01:12:25,420
with that because that makes no sense

1582
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:28,900
and that is that a no comment would be a

1583
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:31,840
breach of security well then all the

1584
01:12:38,910 --> 01:12:34,239
people I have interviewed regarding the

1585
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:38,920
smoking gun and the aam who have been

1586
01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:41,409
under classified have had the

1587
01:12:46,350 --> 01:12:43,500
opportunity to be involved in classified

1588
01:12:48,510 --> 01:12:46,360
material or projects or whatever by

1589
01:12:50,850 --> 01:12:48,520
virtue of them talking to deny they've

1590
01:12:52,919 --> 01:12:50,860
been involved in any of this means that

1591
01:12:55,770 --> 01:12:52,929
they've already breached security now I

1592
01:12:59,610 --> 01:12:55,780
talked to John Alexander about this who

1593
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,620
for well over three decades was involved

1594
01:13:03,709 --> 01:13:01,360
in the intelligence community he worked

1595
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:03,719
for the Pentagon he said that that was

1596
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:06,850
absolute absolutely not true

1597
01:13:15,209 --> 01:13:12,489
what Melinda Leslie was postulating said

1598
01:13:17,130 --> 01:13:15,219
it's actually factually incorrect yeah

1599
01:13:18,570 --> 01:13:17,140
because and we know this because Lou

1600
01:13:20,130 --> 01:13:18,580
Elizondo has been running around doing

1601
01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:20,140
interviews and there are things that he

1602
01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:23,320
can't talk about and because of because

1603
01:13:26,610 --> 01:13:25,030
of classification it's like if you ask

1604
01:13:28,890 --> 01:13:26,620
him a question you can't answer he's not

1605
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:28,900
going to sit there and just like say

1606
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:30,250
nothing you know I'll say you can't

1607
01:13:34,020 --> 01:13:32,110
answer it or no cutting no comments it's

1608
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:34,030
the same thing I can't answer that or no

1609
01:13:37,890 --> 01:13:35,679
comment it's essentially the same answer

1610
01:13:40,020 --> 01:13:37,900
so of course the fact that he's doing

1611
01:13:42,090 --> 01:13:40,030
interviews and he might get asked the

1612
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:42,100
question that he can't answer well you

1613
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:45,130
know he's going to say either no comment

1614
01:13:48,370 --> 01:13:46,370
or something to that effect

1615
01:13:51,310 --> 01:13:48,380
I can't answer that so of course we know

1616
01:13:54,460 --> 01:13:51,320
that that that's not accurate right so

1617
01:13:57,310 --> 01:13:54,470
what she said was if anything in the

1618
01:13:59,680 --> 01:13:57,320
document even if one sentence refers to

1619
01:14:02,110 --> 01:13:59,690
something classified we cannot comment

1620
01:14:05,410 --> 01:14:02,120
in any way on the whole entire document

1621
01:14:07,450 --> 01:14:05,420
if there's one sentence there we can't

1622
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:07,460
comment on it that's what she said I'll

1623
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:09,770
repeat it if anything in the document

1624
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:12,410
even one sentence refers to something

1625
01:14:17,050 --> 01:14:14,810
classified we cannot comment in any way

1626
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,060
on the whole entire document if there's

1627
01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:18,800
one sentence there we can't comment on

1628
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:22,760
it and then I asked her this what about

1629
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:25,970
what dr. Mitchell allegedly said in an

1630
01:14:30,370 --> 01:14:28,400
interview which I still have to confirm

1631
01:14:34,270 --> 01:14:30,380
whether that he really said this or not

1632
01:14:38,230 --> 01:14:34,280
and that is no comment would be a breach

1633
01:14:41,410 --> 01:14:38,240
of security and she said that that is

1634
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:41,420
exactly what she was that that basically

1635
01:14:46,660 --> 01:14:44,480
is what she was saying and so I brought

1636
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:46,670
that to attention of John Alexander

1637
01:14:51,730 --> 01:14:49,760
because she agreed with that and he knew

1638
01:14:54,610 --> 01:14:51,740
dr. Edgar Mitchell they were great

1639
01:14:57,340 --> 01:14:54,620
friends he told me he'd been to his

1640
01:14:59,710 --> 01:14:57,350
house numerous times and that they were

1641
01:15:04,900 --> 01:14:59,720
close friends and he said that is

1642
01:15:07,450 --> 01:15:04,910
absolutely not true what she is

1643
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:07,460
postulating there and so it's important

1644
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:09,890
that people understand that why the

1645
01:15:19,930 --> 01:15:15,530
reason why is because that kind of ill

1646
01:15:22,180 --> 01:15:19,940
logic or lack of logic does disallows

1647
01:15:24,670 --> 01:15:22,190
people from being able to accurately

1648
01:15:26,620 --> 01:15:24,680
deny that they've been allegedly

1649
01:15:29,860 --> 01:15:26,630
involved in something when they have not

1650
01:15:33,370 --> 01:15:29,870
and what she was doing throughout the

1651
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:33,380
entire interview was stating that the

1652
01:15:38,590 --> 01:15:35,810
people in The Smoking Gun memo

1653
01:15:40,540 --> 01:15:38,600
were actually involved in it and I was

1654
01:15:42,820 --> 01:15:40,550
telling her they have the right to say

1655
01:15:46,150 --> 01:15:42,830
they were not if they were not involved

1656
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,160
and nothing I said mattered she truly

1657
01:15:51,010 --> 01:15:48,080
believes that they were all involved in

1658
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:51,020
this alleged document which is obviously

1659
01:15:58,570 --> 01:15:55,250
a stitched together ill designed hoax it

1660
01:16:00,700 --> 01:15:58,580
falls apart it has holes in it the

1661
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:00,710
timeline of it is wrong

1662
01:16:05,650 --> 01:16:03,770
the design of the letter is incorrect

1663
01:16:07,330 --> 01:16:05,660
according to the manner in which a

1664
01:16:09,790 --> 01:16:07,340
person would actually write a letter and

1665
01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:09,800
that is commander Willard Miller he does

1666
01:16:14,380 --> 01:16:12,710
not agree with how it was written at all

1667
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:14,390
regarding how he would write a letter

1668
01:16:20,410 --> 01:16:17,510
and that he is a type-a personality he

1669
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:20,420
would never make any of the novice level

1670
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:23,360
mistakes that were made in that letter

1671
01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:27,050
and if you listen to one of our other

1672
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:28,340
podcasts they think it's called

1673
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:32,570
disinformation or along those lines I go

1674
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:34,010
into great detail regarding what

1675
01:16:37,540 --> 01:16:36,080
commander Willard Miller said in that

1676
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:37,550
first interview when I talked to him

1677
01:16:44,110 --> 01:16:40,370
about the smoking gun a memo a a smoking

1678
01:16:47,230 --> 01:16:44,120
gun document anyway go ahead Frank if

1679
01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:47,240
you feel like you need to yeah I think I

1680
01:16:52,030 --> 01:16:48,710
got everything out that I need to get

1681
01:16:53,710 --> 01:16:52,040
out just got asked a question in the

1682
01:16:55,180 --> 01:16:53,720
chat once the distractors are woken up

1683
01:16:58,570 --> 01:16:55,190
where should we be putting our attention

1684
01:17:00,700 --> 01:16:58,580
and I don't know just yet I think we're

1685
01:17:02,350 --> 01:17:00,710
we're in that kind of a weird moment

1686
01:17:04,570 --> 01:17:02,360
here where who knows what's going to

1687
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:04,580
come up next I did hear some scuttlebutt

1688
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:07,040
that maybe a study was in the offing we

1689
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:09,170
didn't see anything specifically related

1690
01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:13,010
to a study per se but T GSA did put

1691
01:17:17,170 --> 01:17:14,420
something out about the meta materials

1692
01:17:18,430 --> 01:17:17,180
again so maybe something is coming up

1693
01:17:19,450 --> 01:17:18,440
down the road maybe they've got some

1694
01:17:21,190 --> 01:17:19,460
studies in and I have something

1695
01:17:22,780 --> 01:17:21,200
interesting so maybe there'll be

1696
01:17:26,370 --> 01:17:22,790
something with that not really sure

1697
01:17:29,410 --> 01:17:26,380
Congress I think with this letter from

1698
01:17:30,850 --> 01:17:29,420
representative Walker that came out was

1699
01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:30,860
an interesting guy and we'll be talking

1700
01:17:33,730 --> 01:17:32,450
a little bit more about him this coming

1701
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:33,740
Tuesday night when we have Derrick

1702
01:17:38,650 --> 01:17:36,800
Gilbert on very interesting fellow had

1703
01:17:41,710 --> 01:17:38,660
recently written that letter to the

1704
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:41,720
Secretary of the Navy asking about some

1705
01:17:45,370 --> 01:17:43,370
of the evidence and especially the

1706
01:17:49,660 --> 01:17:45,380
remote sensing data that they may have

1707
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:49,670
picked up I think that that might bear

1708
01:17:54,370 --> 01:17:52,130
some fruit you never know we will see I

1709
01:17:56,740 --> 01:17:54,380
think we just kind of kind of read and

1710
01:17:58,900 --> 01:17:56,750
react and see what's coming up next I

1711
01:18:00,700 --> 01:17:58,910
think this is just about done they say

1712
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:00,710
that they're doing more over on the pro

1713
01:18:04,330 --> 01:18:03,170
doc side but you know I haven't seen it

1714
01:18:05,980 --> 01:18:04,340
and they've had they've had a couple

1715
01:18:07,630 --> 01:18:05,990
months now and I haven't I haven't seen

1716
01:18:10,450 --> 01:18:07,640
anything literally I haven't seen a

1717
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:10,460
single thing that is even interesting

1718
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:12,410
that adds to it it's just a lot of

1719
01:18:15,010 --> 01:18:13,730
conversation and a lot

1720
01:18:16,690 --> 01:18:15,020
people agreeing with each other that's

1721
01:18:18,430 --> 01:18:16,700
when I see at the moment if they come up

1722
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:18,440
with something great like I say I am

1723
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:22,489
aware that there are some there is a

1724
01:18:27,370 --> 01:18:24,560
there are some folks that are looking

1725
01:18:30,970 --> 01:18:27,380
into sort of a the way the document is

1726
01:18:33,010 --> 01:18:30,980
presented that there's this the the

1727
01:18:36,060 --> 01:18:33,020
special access program that Wilson

1728
01:18:39,070 --> 01:18:36,070
allegedly followed up on and met with a

1729
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:39,080
panel of people from the well from

1730
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:40,640
Lockheed let's not kid ourselves here

1731
01:18:44,290 --> 01:18:43,130
that's that's who it's supposed to be

1732
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,300
even though it's not specifically

1733
01:18:47,290 --> 01:18:45,920
mentioned and that there are they're

1734
01:18:49,420 --> 01:18:47,300
following out that there are some

1735
01:18:51,790 --> 01:18:49,430
individuals who kind of fit the profile

1736
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:51,800
who had the high-ranking Pentagon

1737
01:18:56,740 --> 01:18:54,080
positions and then moved over into the

1738
01:18:57,970 --> 01:18:56,750
private sector and that's probably the

1739
01:18:59,860 --> 01:18:57,980
way you would do it if you were looking

1740
01:19:02,380 --> 01:18:59,870
to hide this stuff you're not gonna just

1741
01:19:03,670 --> 01:19:02,390
turn it over to a corporation you're

1742
01:19:05,650 --> 01:19:03,680
gonna make sure that you've got your

1743
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:05,660
guys in there to kind of keep an eye on

1744
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:07,130
things and Shepherd it over they're not

1745
01:19:13,300 --> 01:19:10,400
gonna keep it you want your guys keeping

1746
01:19:16,060 --> 01:19:13,310
an eye on the lock and key and that's

1747
01:19:17,710 --> 01:19:16,070
that that seems that pretty plausible so

1748
01:19:19,930 --> 01:19:17,720
hopefully we do get some more out of

1749
01:19:22,660 --> 01:19:19,940
this hopefully yeah some follow-up date

1750
01:19:25,420 --> 01:19:22,670
is being done and we will find out some

1751
01:19:28,350 --> 01:19:25,430
good stuff but as far as these documents

1752
01:19:31,540 --> 01:19:28,360
being legitimate in and of themselves I

1753
01:19:33,850 --> 01:19:31,550
think we pretty well destroyed that okay

1754
01:19:35,140 --> 01:19:33,860
now I'm in the beginning when we were

1755
01:19:37,530 --> 01:19:35,150
sort of interrupting each other which

1756
01:19:39,940 --> 01:19:37,540
were legendary for by the way people

1757
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:39,950
it's so funny I've actually had people

1758
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:49,250
just a that's normal just so everybody

1759
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:51,530
knows we do argue all the time

1760
01:20:00,220 --> 01:19:58,880
all the time um yes right so anyway in

1761
01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:00,230
the beginning when we were interrupting

1762
01:20:04,510 --> 01:20:01,910
each other like crazy like you know like

1763
01:20:06,610 --> 01:20:04,520
we always do I actually lost my notes

1764
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:06,620
because because I was I had a bunch of

1765
01:20:09,850 --> 01:20:08,330
interleaving documents in front of me

1766
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:09,860
and I lost them so that's why I kind of

1767
01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:11,690
stuttered and it took me a while but I

1768
01:20:15,790 --> 01:20:13,550
this is what I had wanted to read it was

1769
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:15,800
just a note I had on the rug a and that

1770
01:20:21,370 --> 01:20:18,800
is terms like rug a which is on page six

1771
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:21,380
of the alien autopsy memo also known as

1772
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:24,170
the aam are incorrect for describing

1773
01:20:27,459 --> 01:20:27,110
brain folds if that is what kit was

1774
01:20:28,959 --> 01:20:27,469
allege

1775
01:20:30,969 --> 01:20:28,969
Julie referencing since there's a

1776
01:20:33,069 --> 01:20:30,979
plethora of medical terms regarding

1777
01:20:36,549 --> 01:20:33,079
brain related terminology throughout the

1778
01:20:39,459 --> 01:20:36,559
aam that kit green is actually a

1779
01:20:42,969 --> 01:20:39,469
spouting off in that memo

1780
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:42,979
allegedly now rug a are ridges and folds

1781
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:45,110
found in the stomach digestive systems

1782
01:20:50,020 --> 01:20:48,650
that allow for expansion and I'm not

1783
01:20:52,660 --> 01:20:50,030
sure if I'm saying this right but the

1784
01:20:53,169 --> 01:20:52,670
gyrus I believe the succulence in on the

1785
01:20:55,330 --> 01:20:53,179
brain

1786
01:20:58,209 --> 01:20:55,340
dr. green would be more precise in this

1787
01:21:00,459 --> 01:20:58,219
he would not call a rug a the brain a

1788
01:21:04,750 --> 01:21:00,469
part of the brain when it's clearly not

1789
01:21:06,609 --> 01:21:04,760
so this is a problem I have also which I

1790
01:21:07,930 --> 01:21:06,619
you know I don't understand why people

1791
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:07,940
aren't bringing this to kick greens

1792
01:21:14,759 --> 01:21:10,880
attention although I know that allegedly

1793
01:21:18,609 --> 01:21:14,769
he has reviewed the alien autopsy memo

1794
01:21:21,459 --> 01:21:18,619
with Richard Dolan so why would he have

1795
01:21:23,049 --> 01:21:21,469
not caught his own mistake and also why

1796
01:21:25,719 --> 01:21:23,059
would he have made that mistake

1797
01:21:30,819 --> 01:21:25,729
why would somebody at his level call

1798
01:21:32,739 --> 01:21:30,829
part of the brain the stomach also my

1799
01:21:38,620 --> 01:21:32,749
only speculation here is they just don't

1800
01:21:39,219 --> 01:21:38,630
want to go into a lot of detail on yes

1801
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:39,229
they should

1802
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:42,289
that is a glaring error and I can tell

1803
01:21:47,739 --> 01:21:45,530
you this any doctor out there that is a

1804
01:21:49,779 --> 01:21:47,749
doctor that has a specializes in the

1805
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:49,789
brain if you were to read that another

1806
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:52,130
doctor said that he would take exception

1807
01:21:59,500 --> 01:21:55,210
with that and that is clearly an issue

1808
01:22:02,919 --> 01:21:59,510
regarding a discrepancy and a whole it

1809
01:22:05,109 --> 01:22:02,929
only adds to it regarding the aam it is

1810
01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:05,119
part of the history of it so it's not

1811
01:22:12,819 --> 01:22:08,150
sort of it's not my - Frank it is a

1812
01:22:19,719 --> 01:22:12,829
problem the other thing is wanted to ask

1813
01:22:21,580 --> 01:22:19,729
you about is let's see I think did you

1814
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:21,590
have any issues with the Singaporean

1815
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,010
government model Lee Kuan Yew

1816
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:26,719
meritocracy Plato Thomas Paine

1817
01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:28,729
Machiavelli Aristotle Jefferson

1818
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:32,420
Roosevelt comment that kick Greene

1819
01:22:37,870 --> 01:22:34,489
allegedly went off on that was a really

1820
01:22:39,879 --> 01:22:37,880
strange part of this the series of

1821
01:22:41,380 --> 01:22:39,889
emails between people who were

1822
01:22:44,290 --> 01:22:41,390
colleagues with each other

1823
01:22:49,210 --> 01:22:44,300
how did you feel about that I did not

1824
01:22:52,030 --> 01:22:49,220
really dig on get on that yeah it's a

1825
01:22:54,610 --> 01:22:52,040
really odd rant by the way did you ever

1826
01:22:58,120 --> 01:22:54,620
find The Smoking Gun the alien autopsy

1827
01:23:01,810 --> 01:22:58,130
memo link I did not

1828
01:23:04,330 --> 01:23:01,820
okay alright now there's also a strange

1829
01:23:07,660 --> 01:23:04,340
style of military timestamp used in the

1830
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:07,670
same header in the alien autopsy memo as

1831
01:23:13,540 --> 01:23:10,130
the one that also has another style of

1832
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:13,550
am/pm stamp and that was a very strange

1833
01:23:18,250 --> 01:23:14,800
anomaly that needs further investigation

1834
01:23:20,530 --> 01:23:18,260
and regarding a paragraph on page 11

1835
01:23:22,810 --> 01:23:20,540
you'll I think that you'll see that

1836
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:22,820
there's a strange anomalous reference

1837
01:23:28,690 --> 01:23:25,370
from how those peers requesting that

1838
01:23:30,730 --> 01:23:28,700
they read an alleged Zodiac group read

1839
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:30,740
about an alleged OD AK group by a comic

1840
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:33,170
book author with the pseudonym sledge

1841
01:23:37,870 --> 01:23:36,050
masters and I just found that's really

1842
01:23:40,570 --> 01:23:37,880
strange that he would write to his

1843
01:23:42,460 --> 01:23:40,580
colleagues about that I see this is a

1844
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,470
thing I myself would love the

1845
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:44,480
opportunity to speak to speak to kit

1846
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:47,210
green and really ask him about things

1847
01:23:55,210 --> 01:23:50,210
that you and I dissected regarding this

1848
01:23:58,330 --> 01:23:55,220
odd memo that's being claimed as real

1849
01:24:01,060 --> 01:23:58,340
but by a lot of people and nobody is

1850
01:24:06,340 --> 01:24:01,070
asking him these questions I'd like to

1851
01:24:07,690 --> 01:24:06,350
know why they're not also let's see if

1852
01:24:11,310 --> 01:24:07,700
there's anything else I can bring up

1853
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:11,320
here I wanted to know

1854
01:24:18,850 --> 01:24:15,290
let's see you already went over the

1855
01:24:22,690 --> 01:24:18,860
knids Bigelow thing and right and too

1856
01:24:25,810 --> 01:24:22,700
much on that like I said it's also true

1857
01:24:29,260 --> 01:24:25,820
to say that that cannot be verified

1858
01:24:32,260 --> 01:24:29,270
along with the aam and the SG there is

1859
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:32,270
no provenance that proves that that

1860
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:34,610
Ned's Bigelow that when we say Ned's by

1861
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:36,170
the way we're talking about an acronym

1862
01:24:45,130 --> 01:24:40,450
and I Institute of discovery science

1863
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:45,140
Bigelow's right which which actually in

1864
01:24:52,630 --> 01:24:49,690
1995 with John Alexander and Eric Davis

1865
01:24:54,370 --> 01:24:52,640
went to skinwalker ranch just so

1866
01:24:54,910 --> 01:24:54,380
everybody knows what you know a little

1867
01:24:58,090 --> 01:24:54,920
bit of history

1868
01:25:00,820 --> 01:24:58,100
behind it sir and anyway that needs

1869
01:25:02,980 --> 01:25:00,830
slash bigelow document that grant

1870
01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:02,990
Cameron put forward for everybody to be

1871
01:25:08,380 --> 01:25:05,980
able to scrutinize and look look over in

1872
01:25:13,660 --> 01:25:08,390
conjunction with the smoking gun

1873
01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:13,670
document that cannot be proven actually

1874
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:16,190
came out of the estate of Edgar Mitchell

1875
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,250
now can also not be proven despite the

1876
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:21,440
fact that James Rick knee claims to have

1877
01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:24,560
given and grant Cameron agrees with us

1878
01:25:30,340 --> 01:25:27,470
I believe that James Rigney gave the

1879
01:25:33,310 --> 01:25:30,350
smoking gun document to grant Cameron

1880
01:25:36,340 --> 01:25:33,320
that it can also not be proven that came

1881
01:25:40,780 --> 01:25:36,350
out of the estate or files of Edgar

1882
01:25:43,900 --> 01:25:40,790
Mitchell yeah let me let me jump in Rick

1883
01:25:46,810 --> 01:25:43,910
yes James has said that that the

1884
01:25:50,140 --> 01:25:46,820
documents were given to him by someone

1885
01:25:51,790 --> 01:25:50,150
from the aerospace industry so that's

1886
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:51,800
that's all we've gotten from him that's

1887
01:25:55,330 --> 01:25:53,570
how he's gotten it he didn't get it or

1888
01:25:57,550 --> 01:25:55,340
he has not said that he's gotten it

1889
01:25:59,170 --> 01:25:57,560
directly from the Mitchell estate or

1890
01:26:02,320 --> 01:25:59,180
anything along those lines he was given

1891
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:02,330
it by given the documents by someone in

1892
01:26:09,010 --> 01:26:04,810
the aerospace industry so there's that

1893
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:09,020
right so anytime there's any time

1894
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:10,610
there's a hoax that's created one can

1895
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:12,320
expect a cover-up in tandem with that

1896
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,960
hoax someone planted these hoaxed

1897
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:17,120
documents and I'm talking about the aam

1898
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:18,770
and the SG into the worldwide community

1899
01:26:23,470 --> 01:26:20,930
a superficial case with the false

1900
01:26:25,630 --> 01:26:23,480
narrative by a few high-profile people

1901
01:26:27,310 --> 01:26:25,640
in the UFO community has been created

1902
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:27,320
either in an unintentional or

1903
01:26:31,870 --> 01:26:29,690
intentional manner no court of law would

1904
01:26:34,450 --> 01:26:31,880
ever accept these alleged docs as real

1905
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:34,460
evidence facts or proof into evidence to

1906
01:26:40,420 --> 01:26:37,070
be relied upon to use to support or

1907
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,430
prove a case as true the correct answers

1908
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:42,320
here regarding these alleged docs are

1909
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:45,890
these things one we do not know the real

1910
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:48,080
source of these alleged docs meaning who

1911
01:26:52,510 --> 01:26:50,930
actually designed them to the amount a

1912
01:26:56,140 --> 01:26:52,520
true material in these docs is both

1913
01:26:58,270 --> 01:26:56,150
unknown and low so far regarding what

1914
01:27:00,700 --> 01:26:58,280
can be measured as true there can be

1915
01:27:03,370 --> 01:27:00,710
more there can be more said that is

1916
01:27:05,890 --> 01:27:03,380
false than true also regarding the aam

1917
01:27:07,690 --> 01:27:05,900
and the SG one cannot be conspiracy

1918
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:07,700
theorists and have their cake and eat it

1919
01:27:08,770 --> 01:27:08,000
too

1920
01:27:11,529 --> 01:27:08,780
you can

1921
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:11,539
complaining can claim a conspiracy like

1922
01:27:16,990 --> 01:27:14,690
went melinda Leslie postulated and then

1923
01:27:19,029 --> 01:27:17,000
claimed that hypothesis as correct

1924
01:27:21,490 --> 01:27:19,039
according to the standards of evidence

1925
01:27:24,129 --> 01:27:21,500
facts and proof it's not even possible

1926
01:27:26,649 --> 01:27:24,139
to do that what we have come to expect

1927
01:27:30,490 --> 01:27:26,659
from people pushing the aam and SG as

1928
01:27:32,799 --> 01:27:30,500
real is providing a pseudo evidence and

1929
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:32,809
so-called proof and let others ask

1930
01:27:40,810 --> 01:27:39,050
questions later the aam was and SG they

1931
01:27:42,609 --> 01:27:40,820
were designed as a game to destroy

1932
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:42,619
friendships to create circular

1933
01:27:48,819 --> 01:27:44,690
discussions and to disseminate

1934
01:27:53,370 --> 01:27:48,829
disinformation in this sense these false

1935
01:27:59,319 --> 01:27:56,709
now we'll see I mean the best-case

1936
01:28:02,470 --> 01:27:59,329
scenario is that it does provide some

1937
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:02,480
leads ok break you just said we'll see

1938
01:28:09,069 --> 01:28:05,690
we just did these are not real no no

1939
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:09,079
yeah III was strongly suspicious of them

1940
01:28:15,790 --> 01:28:12,670
before they even came out but I do know

1941
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:15,800
from my own experience that sometimes

1942
01:28:20,529 --> 01:28:18,050
this type of information can provide

1943
01:28:23,740 --> 01:28:20,539
leads that the this UFO research stuff

1944
01:28:26,589 --> 01:28:23,750
is it kind of a assload I'm game that

1945
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:26,599
this meeting with Wilson and Greer and

1946
01:28:29,229 --> 01:28:28,730
Mitchell and Miller happened 20 years

1947
01:28:32,260 --> 01:28:29,239
ago

1948
01:28:33,459 --> 01:28:32,270
and you never know you follow up with

1949
01:28:34,779 --> 01:28:33,469
some of these people you don't know what

1950
01:28:37,899 --> 01:28:34,789
they're gonna say 20 years after the

1951
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:37,909
fact that maybe somebody's willing to

1952
01:28:41,649 --> 01:28:39,710
say well yeah there's a little bit more

1953
01:28:43,779 --> 01:28:41,659
to that that maybe yeah there is a

1954
01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:43,789
little bit of truth in there when you go

1955
01:28:49,810 --> 01:28:46,400
back over time or you just get a lead

1956
01:28:51,339 --> 01:28:49,820
you get names cobbles together that day

1957
01:28:53,220 --> 01:28:51,349
you hadn't thought about before like

1958
01:28:57,010 --> 01:28:53,230
some of the other names that were

1959
01:28:59,410 --> 01:28:57,020
mentioned in the the the the smoking gun

1960
01:29:01,689 --> 01:28:59,420
document now let's see there was let me

1961
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:01,699
let me pull up some of those names here

1962
01:29:06,430 --> 01:29:04,400
there was a general hall I believe that

1963
01:29:08,379 --> 01:29:06,440
was mentioned there was a general Castel

1964
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:08,389
neck I believe who was mentioned there

1965
01:29:14,109 --> 01:29:11,360
was a gansler who was mentioned and they

1966
01:29:15,879 --> 01:29:14,119
are also mentioned in that well a couple

1967
01:29:18,910 --> 01:29:15,889
of them anyway i gansler was mentioned

1968
01:29:20,939 --> 01:29:18,920
and I believe the man's name is Hall but

1969
01:29:24,570 --> 01:29:20,949
let me double-check on that and

1970
01:29:25,740 --> 01:29:24,580
Oh general Ward I'm sorry yeah okay I'm

1971
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:25,750
thinking of Michael Hall I'm getting all

1972
01:29:29,459 --> 01:29:27,130
confused here my old age

1973
01:29:31,919 --> 01:29:29,469
general Marshall Hall who is I mentioned

1974
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:31,929
in this genes I'm gonna post this link

1975
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:33,610
again because it's a good article well

1976
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,410
his name is mentioned and also mentioned

1977
01:29:39,810 --> 01:29:37,360
in the smoking gun doc there are leads

1978
01:29:41,939 --> 01:29:39,820
in there this is something the this

1979
01:29:42,959 --> 01:29:41,949
entire meeting was something that I can

1980
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:42,969
remember

1981
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:45,250
Edgar Mitchell talking about sort of

1982
01:29:49,500 --> 01:29:47,410
vaguely I know he was talking about it

1983
01:29:52,380 --> 01:29:49,510
now I didn't realize it at the time when

1984
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:52,390
this discussion was really hot initially

1985
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:54,610
was like a year before I got seriously

1986
01:29:59,130 --> 01:29:56,770
into it and I do remember him discussing

1987
01:30:00,959 --> 01:29:59,140
it it sort of vaguely in broad general

1988
01:30:02,340 --> 01:30:00,969
terms after the fact that interviews

1989
01:30:05,070 --> 01:30:02,350
because any time there was an Edgar

1990
01:30:06,750 --> 01:30:05,080
Mitchell interview I obviously listen so

1991
01:30:08,459 --> 01:30:06,760
I do remember it but you know this is

1992
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:08,469
something that hey maybe it's maybe it's

1993
01:30:11,610 --> 01:30:10,210
time to go back and take a look at that

1994
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:11,620
meeting and take a look at some of these

1995
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:14,320
names of people who had key positions

1996
01:30:18,780 --> 01:30:16,690
back in those days like dr. Jacques

1997
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:18,790
ganzel or like Major General Marshall H

1998
01:30:25,260 --> 01:30:22,480
award and go back and see if maybe it's

1999
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:25,270
time maybe some new information can come

2000
01:30:30,209 --> 01:30:27,010
out about this stuff that is the best

2001
01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:30,219
case scenario that I see now but the

2002
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:33,910
worst case scenario is just for you know

2003
01:30:38,459 --> 01:30:36,850
the high profile researchers to continue

2004
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:38,469
to run around and present these

2005
01:30:45,630 --> 01:30:41,530
documents as literal documents as

2006
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:45,640
literal fact when they really just are

2007
01:30:52,620 --> 01:30:50,770
not providing anything to make that case

2008
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:52,630
I mean there's no case there they don't

2009
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:53,679
have a leg to stand on

2010
01:30:58,260 --> 01:30:56,530
and I did put a link again to that

2011
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:58,270
article in James it's a good article I

2012
01:31:03,300 --> 01:30:59,920
suggest that everybody at least take a

2013
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:03,310
look at it webbed archive.org web and

2014
01:31:08,820 --> 01:31:06,850
then another - and forward slash 2009

2015
01:31:10,770 --> 01:31:08,830
it's a good article it dropped some

2016
01:31:13,470 --> 01:31:10,780
names and again those are some of the

2017
01:31:15,689 --> 01:31:13,480
names that are turning up in this in

2018
01:31:17,610 --> 01:31:15,699
this smoking gun doc like I say it's

2019
01:31:18,959 --> 01:31:17,620
it's researched I mean who knows maybe

2020
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:18,969
the person who put this together

2021
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:22,480
read this Jane's defense and read the

2022
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:24,250
periscope and I was able to cobble it

2023
01:31:28,380 --> 01:31:26,650
together from the armchair I don't think

2024
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:28,390
that's the case like I said I've been

2025
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:31,090
saying from the beginning that this is

2026
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:32,880
well-put-together stuff this looks like

2027
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:34,810
professional stuff it's why I'm

2028
01:31:39,570 --> 01:31:37,930
calling it disinformation because that's

2029
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:39,580
what disinformation is it's not some

2030
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:41,650
private sector lunatic who's running

2031
01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:43,210
around making ridiculous claims about

2032
01:31:48,030 --> 01:31:45,550
time traveling to Mars with Barack Obama

2033
01:31:50,030 --> 01:31:48,040
and stuff like that no those are just

2034
01:31:52,290 --> 01:31:50,040
private-sector lunatics and idiots

2035
01:31:54,660 --> 01:31:52,300
basically doing that kind of thing now

2036
01:31:56,100 --> 01:31:54,670
this is this is clearly a professional

2037
01:31:58,770 --> 01:31:56,110
work I don't think there's any question

2038
01:32:00,480 --> 01:31:58,780
about that and this is what we're seeing

2039
01:32:02,190 --> 01:32:00,490
this is what this information looks like

2040
01:32:04,890 --> 01:32:02,200
these documents that's disinformation

2041
01:32:06,990 --> 01:32:04,900
and again and some of it could well

2042
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:07,000
provide a lead that can follow up and

2043
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:08,560
that we can get some some interesting

2044
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:10,210
information out of it hopefully that

2045
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:13,090
happens we also cannot make fit what

2046
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:15,250
what isn't true people need to be

2047
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:17,170
accountable for things that they're

2048
01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:20,250
claiming are true when they're not and

2049
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:22,600
you know it's important because I don't

2050
01:32:28,050 --> 01:32:24,880
know maybe you why do know you were you

2051
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:28,060
probably recall the Jaime Masson fake

2052
01:32:39,450 --> 01:32:37,210
alien debacle and go ahead well you know

2053
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:39,460
Tony Berg galya is a good friend of mine

2054
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:42,010
and I gotta tell you that I believe that

2055
01:32:48,540 --> 01:32:43,450
he believed it right up until the very

2056
01:32:51,210 --> 01:32:48,550
end I think that they got if any real

2057
01:32:54,660 --> 01:32:51,220
hoaxing was done it was done by Adam do

2058
01:32:56,610 --> 01:32:54,670
who found the original slide and a

2059
01:32:58,290 --> 01:32:56,620
little bit of a story I think I made up

2060
01:33:00,690 --> 01:32:58,300
about that about finally getting some

2061
01:33:02,820 --> 01:33:00,700
secret compartment and a chest that some

2062
01:33:05,550 --> 01:33:02,830
in some lady's house but he got hold of

2063
01:33:06,810 --> 01:33:05,560
the slide the slide was a legitimate for

2064
01:33:08,670 --> 01:33:06,820
what it was but it turned out to be a

2065
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:08,680
picture of a mummy certainly not an

2066
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:11,110
alien but yeah I was in communication

2067
01:33:15,660 --> 01:33:12,850
with Tony about that for a quite a bit

2068
01:33:18,180 --> 01:33:15,670
before everything came out and yeah I

2069
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:18,190
believe people get people can believe I

2070
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:19,920
mean there's that there's a strong

2071
01:33:23,250 --> 01:33:22,690
strong world to believe no question

2072
01:33:25,140 --> 01:33:23,260
about it

2073
01:33:27,780 --> 01:33:25,150
well my understanding is that Richard

2074
01:33:31,860 --> 01:33:27,790
Owen actually believed that alien was

2075
01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:31,870
real well he did go down there there was

2076
01:33:38,370 --> 01:33:34,780
a they had like a little livestream

2077
01:33:40,140 --> 01:33:38,380
event down in Mexico and I for whatever

2078
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:40,150
it was in little there were people from

2079
01:33:43,950 --> 01:33:41,920
all over the world that attended that I

2080
01:33:46,020 --> 01:33:43,960
actually met a few and they were very

2081
01:33:48,620 --> 01:33:46,030
upset that they actually allowed

2082
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:48,630
themselves to fall to that level

2083
01:33:53,959 --> 01:33:51,570
of deception and you know that was a

2084
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:53,969
worldwide event a lot of people attended

2085
01:34:01,490 --> 01:33:56,489
that Mexico conference that you're

2086
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:01,500
talking about and it was a it was highly

2087
01:34:05,390 --> 01:34:03,810
disappointing not only in the sense of

2088
01:34:08,180 --> 01:34:05,400
the folks who felt that they were had

2089
01:34:09,890 --> 01:34:08,190
been victimized or that they had allowed

2090
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:09,900
themselves to actually believe in

2091
01:34:15,890 --> 01:34:12,960
something that was not true but also

2092
01:34:18,530 --> 01:34:15,900
that the UFO community once again was

2093
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:18,540
put in a light where were the topic of

2094
01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:22,170
hilarity were observed as a topic of

2095
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:24,840
hilarity and you know again people need

2096
01:34:29,930 --> 01:34:27,210
to be accountable for falling for things

2097
01:34:32,209 --> 01:34:29,940
like this and wanting yes-men to go

2098
01:34:36,770 --> 01:34:32,219
along with them and the pressure of it

2099
01:34:38,660 --> 01:34:36,780
you know just so you know one reason why

2100
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:38,670
I stopped reporting and researching on

2101
01:34:45,169 --> 01:34:40,380
this topic for a little while Frank I

2102
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:45,179
basically stopped researching it I don't

2103
01:34:48,610 --> 01:34:47,760
know a while back because these alleged

2104
01:34:52,850 --> 01:34:48,620
docs

2105
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:52,860
it was because researching these alleged

2106
01:35:00,250 --> 01:34:54,960
talks because they're too easy to prove

2107
01:35:03,950 --> 01:35:00,260
is not real literally they are that easy

2108
01:35:06,050 --> 01:35:03,960
another is the people I had to come to

2109
01:35:09,020 --> 01:35:06,060
look up to you as beacons first of

2110
01:35:13,310 --> 01:35:09,030
searching for truth or the closest thing

2111
01:35:15,709 --> 01:35:13,320
to it in the UFO community were not due

2112
01:35:20,030 --> 01:35:15,719
to an agenda they were pushing over

2113
01:35:21,770 --> 01:35:20,040
evidence facts and proof the aam and SG

2114
01:35:24,140 --> 01:35:21,780
being the example of what I'm talking

2115
01:35:26,740 --> 01:35:24,150
about here because these hoax Doc's

2116
01:35:30,350 --> 01:35:26,750
became a game in the UFO community

2117
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:30,360
instead of using skillsets to determine

2118
01:35:35,090 --> 01:35:31,679
whether we were looking at something

2119
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:35,100
real or not all of these people that I

2120
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:38,400
looked up to including a very small

2121
01:35:44,810 --> 01:35:41,850
group of haters use these hoaxes docs to

2122
01:35:48,140 --> 01:35:44,820
devolve the process of evidence facts

2123
01:35:50,570 --> 01:35:48,150
and proof so the UFO community observed

2124
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,580
a small camp of people all hoarding fake

2125
01:35:55,700 --> 01:35:52,800
evidence and proof that they didn't have

2126
01:36:00,010 --> 01:35:55,710
because they had an agenda to push that

2127
01:36:02,959 --> 01:36:00,020
that being a pro aam and pro SG agenda

2128
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:02,969
as if they were real

2129
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:05,520
and the backlash that you and I had to

2130
01:36:13,970 --> 01:36:08,449
deal with with regarding their response

2131
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:13,980
in varying ways do do to our research

2132
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:17,690
proving that they were wrong that these

2133
01:36:24,109 --> 01:36:19,920
so-called documents are not real in

2134
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:24,119
their entirety was outrageous we

2135
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:26,130
actually came across I'm not going to

2136
01:36:32,419 --> 01:36:28,530
say this person's name but because of

2137
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:32,429
our research and because I said that I

2138
01:36:39,109 --> 01:36:34,530
was looking forward to any evidence

2139
01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:39,119
proof or facts regarding the aam and SG

2140
01:36:45,770 --> 01:36:43,020
an individual we both know we will not

2141
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:45,780
name actually ended up threatening

2142
01:36:50,180 --> 01:36:48,810
another person that they were going to

2143
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:50,190
come out with some negative information

2144
01:36:55,459 --> 01:36:53,010
about them because that person who was

2145
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:55,469
high-profile would not go along with

2146
01:37:04,189 --> 01:37:01,199
verbally abusing us and that's a level

2147
01:37:07,339 --> 01:37:04,199
some people have stooped to in order to

2148
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:07,349
try and make us go along with acting

2149
01:37:14,209 --> 01:37:09,210
like we believe that these fake

2150
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:14,219
documents are real as they stand well if

2151
01:37:18,620 --> 01:37:16,110
you call yourself a researcher and your

2152
01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:18,630
first loyalty is not to the truth you're

2153
01:37:25,490 --> 01:37:22,980
not a researcher we should all have all

2154
01:37:27,970 --> 01:37:25,500
the information facts and evidence and

2155
01:37:30,410 --> 01:37:27,980
proof if there are any to be had are

2156
01:37:31,939 --> 01:37:30,420
compiled to reveal whether these alleged

2157
01:37:34,250 --> 01:37:31,949
Doc's are real as they stand and

2158
01:37:37,339 --> 01:37:34,260
everything points to justify these are

2159
01:37:39,859 --> 01:37:37,349
not real in their entirety now I want to

2160
01:37:41,810 --> 01:37:39,869
also mention there's I cannot see his

2161
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:41,820
name I won't do it but there's a high

2162
01:37:49,010 --> 01:37:45,210
profile individual legendary in the UFO

2163
01:37:51,410 --> 01:37:49,020
community and I told him I would like to

2164
01:37:54,890 --> 01:37:51,420
interview you about the aam and SG

2165
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:54,900
because he's key he is key regarding

2166
01:38:02,060 --> 01:37:58,020
these regarding the one of these

2167
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:02,070
documents and he knew that I was going

2168
01:38:07,850 --> 01:38:06,239
to interview Ray Santilli and I told him

2169
01:38:10,209 --> 01:38:07,860
I said may I please interview you

2170
01:38:14,660 --> 01:38:10,219
regarding these you know documents and

2171
01:38:15,860 --> 01:38:14,670
he said let's just see he didn't this is

2172
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:15,870
not exact quote but the

2173
01:38:21,500 --> 01:38:17,970
- what he said was let's see how the

2174
01:38:25,130 --> 01:38:21,510
race aunt tilly interview goes what I

2175
01:38:27,470 --> 01:38:25,140
took that to mean is this because this

2176
01:38:31,820 --> 01:38:27,480
individual whose key to what we're

2177
01:38:37,250 --> 01:38:31,830
talking about here he's connected if I

2178
01:38:39,500 --> 01:38:37,260
didn't do a pro-am interview meaning act

2179
01:38:42,890 --> 01:38:39,510
like I believed that that document was

2180
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:42,900
real that based on that with Ray

2181
01:38:46,370 --> 01:38:45,090
Santilli that based on that there's no

2182
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:46,380
way he would do an interview with me

2183
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:50,090
that's why and I I find that to be

2184
01:38:55,790 --> 01:38:53,520
reprehensible and I also looked up to

2185
01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:55,800
this individual I thought that he was a

2186
01:39:00,770 --> 01:38:58,610
luminary in the area of the ufology

2187
01:39:04,940 --> 01:39:00,780
because he's been involved in it for

2188
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:04,950
decades and because he said that I came

2189
01:39:11,290 --> 01:39:08,250
to realize that he's not a person who

2190
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:11,300
was looking for truth facts or evidence

2191
01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:14,370
regarding this particular topic he's

2192
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:18,000
he's trying to push an agenda and I'm

2193
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:21,890
not going to do that go ahead okay I

2194
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:24,210
think we've got everything out that

2195
01:39:31,010 --> 01:39:28,050
we've gotten we have a ginned up the the

2196
01:39:33,710 --> 01:39:31,020
new material frankly that is useful and

2197
01:39:36,190 --> 01:39:33,720
helpful to people in terms of helping

2198
01:39:40,850 --> 01:39:36,200
them make a decision in terms of the

2199
01:39:42,410 --> 01:39:40,860
legitimacy of these Doc's and I think

2200
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:42,420
we've done exactly what we're supposed

2201
01:39:47,810 --> 01:39:46,050
to do I really couldn't care less but

2202
01:39:50,030 --> 01:39:47,820
with Richard Dolan saying we don't know

2203
01:39:52,460 --> 01:39:50,040
what we're doing we know exactly what

2204
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:52,470
we're doing and I think we have

2205
01:39:57,740 --> 01:39:55,650
accomplished it well and there's a thing

2206
01:40:01,850 --> 01:39:57,750
I don't know if he said that but let's

2207
01:40:02,900 --> 01:40:01,860
just pretend he did he did yeah since

2208
01:40:04,970 --> 01:40:02,910
there were the only people that are

2209
01:40:08,060 --> 01:40:04,980
really out there doing anything as far

2210
01:40:14,810 --> 01:40:08,070
as researching this stuff and you know

2211
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:14,820
from from a critical standpoint well

2212
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:18,000
look I'm just gonna I'm gonna say this

2213
01:40:25,580 --> 01:40:19,770
if he did say that I know you just said

2214
01:40:28,730 --> 01:40:25,590
he did what I have to say is this until

2215
01:40:32,510 --> 01:40:28,740
there is actual evidence

2216
01:40:34,910 --> 01:40:32,520
facts or proof regarding the alien

2217
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:34,920
autopsy memo and the smoking gun

2218
01:40:43,820 --> 01:40:39,210
document then say that to us because

2219
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:43,830
there is nothing that actually supports

2220
01:40:52,370 --> 01:40:47,610
these two alleged documents as real as

2221
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:52,380
they stand in their entirety now one one

2222
01:40:59,930 --> 01:40:53,850
thing I would like to bring back up

2223
01:41:03,020 --> 01:40:59,940
again yes what you can start with is

2224
01:41:07,820 --> 01:41:03,030
that Richard Dolan the other thing you

2225
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:07,830
can start with is explaining why John

2226
01:41:12,860 --> 01:41:10,890
Alexander's email address and help put

2227
01:41:17,980 --> 01:41:12,870
offs email address in the alien autopsy

2228
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:17,990
memo is listed as it's attributed to

2229
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:20,880
General Motors in Singapore when neither

2230
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:23,250
one of these gentlemen has ever worked

2231
01:41:27,950 --> 01:41:25,040
for General Motors or Singapore

2232
01:41:30,230 --> 01:41:27,960
according to John Alexander who has

2233
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:30,240
known he'll put off also for decades

2234
01:41:36,740 --> 01:41:33,450
right now we do know that Erik Davis was

2235
01:41:39,290 --> 01:41:36,750
the vice president of General Motors in

2236
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:39,300
sync agree I'm sorry kick kick green

2237
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:42,690
thank you now we do know he was but but

2238
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:46,800
John Alexander and he'll put off we're

2239
01:41:54,020 --> 01:41:51,360
not now how in the world can anybody say

2240
01:41:58,010 --> 01:41:54,030
that the alien autopsy memo is genuine

2241
01:42:02,990 --> 01:41:58,020
if that snippet is clearly not true

2242
01:42:05,150 --> 01:42:03,000
exactly okay that's just an image so

2243
01:42:10,580 --> 01:42:05,160
many other things you know there's so

2244
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:10,590
many and the the key thing it to me

2245
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:11,850
initially when I spoke to Commander

2246
01:42:17,870 --> 01:42:14,370
Miller was he has no interest in the

2247
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:17,880
socorro or the Holloman and why does

2248
01:42:22,130 --> 01:42:19,290
that matter it regards to what we're

2249
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:22,140
talking about so people okay yeah the in

2250
01:42:28,610 --> 01:42:25,610
the serpo material there's an attempt to

2251
01:42:30,890 --> 01:42:28,620
tie the Socorro case the date of the

2252
01:42:34,130 --> 01:42:30,900
Socorro case which was I believe off the

2253
01:42:36,740 --> 01:42:34,140
top of my head April 24th 1964 to the

2254
01:42:39,230 --> 01:42:36,750
alleged meeting the meet up supposedly

2255
01:42:41,300 --> 01:42:39,240
that happened between the United States

2256
01:42:42,330 --> 01:42:41,310
Air Force and extraterrestrials at

2257
01:42:44,820 --> 01:42:42,340
Holloman Air Force

2258
01:42:47,370 --> 01:42:44,830
and apparently et is able to travel

2259
01:42:48,899 --> 01:42:47,380
several light-years to get here but gets

2260
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:48,909
lost and can't find Holloman Air Force

2261
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,560
Base and they accidentally land in

2262
01:42:54,540 --> 01:42:52,480
Socorro I mean part of it is downright

2263
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,550
hilarious and that was actually one of

2264
01:42:58,770 --> 01:42:56,800
the things that I mentioned with Michael

2265
01:43:00,660 --> 01:42:58,780
the first time that we had him on or

2266
01:43:01,950 --> 01:43:00,670
these docs came out look out for this

2267
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:01,960
kind of thing and there it was right in

2268
01:43:05,129 --> 01:43:03,760
there so yeah that was that was one of

2269
01:43:06,689 --> 01:43:05,139
the key things that I wanted to ask him

2270
01:43:08,580 --> 01:43:06,699
and Enola about what do you think about

2271
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:08,590
these cases listed off the cases that

2272
01:43:16,919 --> 01:43:11,650
were listed in The Smoking Gun Dokken he

2273
01:43:19,740 --> 01:43:16,929
asked me what's the Socorro case so let

2274
01:43:23,370 --> 01:43:19,750
me ask you this Frank you know uh when

2275
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:23,380
Richard Dolan uh according to a good

2276
01:43:28,350 --> 01:43:25,810
source I have who is a person that's

2277
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:28,360
very close to him and also the research

2278
01:43:37,100 --> 01:43:32,050
I've done fell for the alien hoax that

2279
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:37,110
Hyman Masson was shopping around Israel

2280
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:44,290
my question she this was this happened

2281
01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:46,810
after the fact that was basically Donn

2282
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:50,380
Kari Burke CBN Tom Carrie Donna and Toni

2283
01:43:57,839 --> 01:43:53,199
Berg Elia who first were following up on

2284
01:44:00,810 --> 01:43:57,849
this alien slide that a fellow named

2285
01:44:03,030 --> 01:44:00,820
Adam do out of Chicago had gotten rolled

2286
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:03,040
up okay so they were trying to shop it

2287
01:44:07,229 --> 01:44:05,170
around as doing something here in the

2288
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,239
States and they couldn't get that done

2289
01:44:12,209 --> 01:44:09,760
so Masson came in a little bit later

2290
01:44:14,970 --> 01:44:12,219
it wasn't my son's bill really initially

2291
01:44:18,030 --> 01:44:14,980
it was right it was a Carey Schmidt and

2292
01:44:19,260 --> 01:44:18,040
Tony who were working on this and you

2293
01:44:21,930 --> 01:44:19,270
know that it's a background work that

2294
01:44:24,780 --> 01:44:21,940
basically was the slide you it was the

2295
01:44:28,109 --> 01:44:24,790
film stock or the slide stock whatever

2296
01:44:30,750 --> 01:44:28,119
was printed up on was it from that time

2297
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,760
frame the late 1940s and so on and they

2298
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:32,560
did a lot of research about that but

2299
01:44:36,750 --> 01:44:34,330
that basically the case was fairly

2300
01:44:39,540 --> 01:44:36,760
easily solved once the picture became

2301
01:44:41,129 --> 01:44:39,550
public there was a group looking to

2302
01:44:42,030 --> 01:44:41,139
frankly de bucket there were a few

2303
01:44:44,459 --> 01:44:42,040
people involved

2304
01:44:46,649 --> 01:44:44,469
Kirk Collins was in that group my old

2305
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:46,659
buddy Lance Moody was in that group and

2306
01:44:52,919 --> 01:44:50,170
another fellow whose name was

2307
01:44:54,570 --> 01:44:52,929
NABBA Latour I believe and he was the

2308
01:44:57,150 --> 01:44:54,580
guy who actually figured out how to use

2309
01:45:00,090 --> 01:44:57,160
a particular software called smart to

2310
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:00,100
blur which was able to do blur the slide

2311
01:45:04,169 --> 01:45:02,770
and as a result you could see what was

2312
01:45:06,090 --> 01:45:04,179
written on a little placard and

2313
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:06,100
basically it was a photograph taken in a

2314
01:45:10,890 --> 01:45:08,170
museum of a mummy that was discovered

2315
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:10,900
somewhere in the southwest you know

2316
01:45:15,330 --> 01:45:12,489
maybe a hundred years ago or so I'm not

2317
01:45:18,090 --> 01:45:15,340
sure exactly when but that so well that

2318
01:45:20,250 --> 01:45:18,100
case fell apart fairly quickly and you

2319
01:45:22,919 --> 01:45:20,260
know it was unfortunate but like I said

2320
01:45:24,450 --> 01:45:22,929
I know Tony and I'll vouch that right up

2321
01:45:27,390 --> 01:45:24,460
until the end he thought he had

2322
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:27,400
something and I generally will hold that

2323
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:29,650
out there that people do think that they

2324
01:45:34,189 --> 01:45:31,810
think they've got something they they

2325
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:34,199
may not they may be proved wrong but

2326
01:45:39,780 --> 01:45:36,400
generally speaking I think they believe

2327
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:39,790
that they have something okay well I did

2328
01:45:44,820 --> 01:45:41,730
want to read something from Spyros and

2329
01:45:46,770 --> 01:45:44,830
when I interviewed him and by the way he

2330
01:45:48,300 --> 01:45:46,780
did just give me permission this evening

2331
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:48,310
while we were talking to go ahead and

2332
01:45:53,729 --> 01:45:51,130
give his email address out on the

2333
01:45:56,959 --> 01:45:53,739
podcast to Richard Dolan

2334
01:45:59,700 --> 01:45:56,969
so that Richard Dolan can contact him

2335
01:46:03,600 --> 01:45:59,710
regarding what he had me read to him

2336
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:03,610
tonight and that is spy Rose's email

2337
01:46:12,330 --> 01:46:09,760
addresses mr. M so that's M R M @ GI CA

2338
01:46:14,610 --> 01:46:12,340
L dot co dot uk'

2339
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:14,620
so let me go ahead and read that again M

2340
01:46:23,790 --> 01:46:21,489
R M yeah I can do that @ g IC al dot co

2341
01:46:25,229 --> 01:46:23,800
dot uk' and limit let me go and copy

2342
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:25,239
that but I still have something to say

2343
01:46:33,300 --> 01:46:28,320
so just take a second

2344
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:33,310
just one moment there we go okay yeah

2345
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:35,530
but let me let me go ahead and read what

2346
01:46:41,490 --> 01:46:38,530
what Spyros had to say about the a.m. he

2347
01:46:44,189 --> 01:46:41,500
said I cannot emphasize enough that this

2348
01:46:46,020 --> 01:46:44,199
entire document is not verified at all I

2349
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:46,030
would be more sympathetic if they were

2350
01:46:52,410 --> 01:46:49,360
speaking about an alien autopsy and did

2351
01:46:54,180 --> 01:46:52,420
not say it was the same as mine I don't

2352
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:54,190
know if they have alien bodies or if

2353
01:46:59,160 --> 01:46:56,890
they did an autopsy or three how could i

2354
01:47:01,260 --> 01:46:59,170
but when they make schoolboy errors and

2355
01:47:03,150 --> 01:47:01,270
it's a it's from Roswell and say it's

2356
01:47:04,089 --> 01:47:03,160
the same as mine and predated when mine

2357
01:47:07,569 --> 01:47:04,099
did not even

2358
01:47:08,919 --> 01:47:07,579
just then I know it's [\h__\h] and then

2359
01:47:11,379 --> 01:47:08,929
I said you have any more input to share

2360
01:47:12,939 --> 01:47:11,389
on the alien autopsy memo that's it the

2361
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:12,949
whole thing is just unsubstantiated

2362
01:47:19,149 --> 01:47:16,159
stories the key is green but we all

2363
01:47:21,009 --> 01:47:19,159
surely know an ex-cia agent would not

2364
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:21,019
talk about classified stuff in this way

2365
01:47:24,969 --> 01:47:23,840
it's just ridiculous and I asked him why

2366
01:47:28,389 --> 01:47:24,979
do you think this document was

2367
01:47:30,699 --> 01:47:28,399
fabricated and he went on to explain

2368
01:47:32,889 --> 01:47:30,709
what his thoughts were on that so I'm

2369
01:47:34,540 --> 01:47:32,899
gonna go ahead and share that link that

2370
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:34,550
has some interesting insight because

2371
01:47:38,349 --> 01:47:36,169
let's face it I mean he was involved in

2372
01:47:40,810 --> 01:47:38,359
putting this together we talked to Phil

2373
01:47:43,299 --> 01:47:40,820
mantel and that Phil had mentioned he

2374
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:43,309
estimated that they gross stuff from

2375
01:47:48,549 --> 01:47:45,530
different sources around the world a

2376
01:47:51,699 --> 01:47:48,559
good 14 15 million dollars back in the

2377
01:47:54,339 --> 01:47:51,709
90s office off this little project that

2378
01:47:56,109 --> 01:47:54,349
cost a few grand to produce so there was

2379
01:47:57,849 --> 01:47:56,119
a there was a nice profit margin in

2380
01:47:59,529 --> 01:47:57,859
there for those guys but you know at

2381
01:48:01,149 --> 01:47:59,539
least a spy Rose has come forward and

2382
01:48:03,159 --> 01:48:01,159
you know I don't blame those guys for

2383
01:48:05,589 --> 01:48:03,169
doing Andy I mean hey it's a few quick

2384
01:48:08,799 --> 01:48:05,599
bucks and that turned into a nice little

2385
01:48:12,449 --> 01:48:08,809
small fortune for him but I think what's

2386
01:48:16,389 --> 01:48:12,459
happened there is maybe yes Santilli and

2387
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:16,399
the the other fellows a shoe I can't

2388
01:48:27,819 --> 01:48:22,249
recall his last day I'm sorry Gary Gary

2389
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:27,829
Gary shoe field sorry about and you know

2390
01:48:32,109 --> 01:48:30,530
I think maybe they thought that you know

2391
01:48:34,359 --> 01:48:32,119
they did the interviews with you and

2392
01:48:35,709 --> 01:48:34,369
maybe they thought that this would get

2393
01:48:37,959 --> 01:48:35,719
some more attention they'd be able to

2394
01:48:39,819 --> 01:48:37,969
you know get a few more bucks out of you

2395
01:48:42,369 --> 01:48:39,829
know basically this old project that

2396
01:48:44,770 --> 01:48:42,379
they did 20-plus years ago I don't think

2397
01:48:46,179 --> 01:48:44,780
that's happening you know the way I the

2398
01:48:47,859 --> 01:48:46,189
way Dolan was predicting that this was

2399
01:48:49,659 --> 01:48:47,869
really good at well if and generate a

2400
01:48:51,699 --> 01:48:49,669
lot of attention it really hasn't that

2401
01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:51,709
said but really yeah it's it's gotten

2402
01:48:55,659 --> 01:48:53,209
the attention of a relatively small

2403
01:48:56,969 --> 01:48:55,669
crowd to be honest about it well and you

2404
01:48:59,439 --> 01:48:56,979
know it oddly enough

2405
01:49:02,049 --> 01:48:59,449
Spira smell aris actually summed up

2406
01:49:04,929 --> 01:49:02,059
everything so perfectly in the threat of

2407
01:49:07,810 --> 01:49:04,939
a post that we were talking about about

2408
01:49:11,549 --> 01:49:07,820
a post under Dolan about Dolan in a

2409
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:11,559
group on Facebook and he said this

2410
01:49:15,639 --> 01:49:14,090
because we were discussing that this is

2411
01:49:17,860 --> 01:49:15,649
what he said so when he says I agree

2412
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:17,870
it's because we were having a discussion

2413
01:49:22,060 --> 01:49:19,970
he said chant Hana I fully agree and for

2414
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:22,070
what it's worth I to question the

2415
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:24,290
authenticity of the documents meaning

2416
01:49:31,210 --> 01:49:26,960
the alien autopsy a memo because it's

2417
01:49:35,890 --> 01:49:31,220
full of holes how can it be real and at

2418
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:35,900
the same time wrong now that one

2419
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:38,570
statement he said how can it be real and

2420
01:49:44,140 --> 01:49:41,330
at the same time wrong that sums

2421
01:49:46,450 --> 01:49:44,150
everything up he then said we have seen

2422
01:49:48,370 --> 01:49:46,460
the story change by the week we're

2423
01:49:50,290 --> 01:49:48,380
getting closer to the truth but are

2424
01:49:51,820 --> 01:49:50,300
still a way to go now

2425
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:51,830
this is something else I wanted to bring

2426
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:53,770
up to you a frank and that is this

2427
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:56,330
throughout all the podcasts that have

2428
01:50:02,530 --> 01:49:58,480
been done on this top these topics that

2429
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:02,540
we've been talking about here there has

2430
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:06,080
not been the same kind of information

2431
01:50:10,060 --> 01:50:09,050
brought forth it's all contradictory so

2432
01:50:12,190 --> 01:50:10,070
it's really important that people

2433
01:50:14,350 --> 01:50:12,200
understand that if there's facts and

2434
01:50:16,180 --> 01:50:14,360
evidence and proof to discuss that would

2435
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:16,190
remain the same that is not the case

2436
01:50:21,490 --> 01:50:17,930
with these two alleged documents that's

2437
01:50:22,750 --> 01:50:21,500
it okay then that's about it we're done

2438
01:50:25,420 --> 01:50:22,760
that's it we're done

2439
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:25,430
okay I I think we might be done with the

2440
01:50:29,770 --> 01:50:26,930
subject you did compile a lot of

2441
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:29,780
material on the alien autopsy video and

2442
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:31,850
we should you should probably get that

2443
01:50:35,110 --> 01:50:33,650
up and now some way shape or form just

2444
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:35,120
to hear these guys speak for themselves

2445
01:50:39,850 --> 01:50:37,250
at some point that will figure out a way

2446
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:39,860
to do that it is it's a fascinating

2447
01:50:44,050 --> 01:50:42,080
story it really is I mean honest to god

2448
01:50:45,490 --> 01:50:44,060
if I could turn a few grand into fifteen

2449
01:50:47,740 --> 01:50:45,500
million I'd do it in a heartbeat tell

2450
01:50:50,350 --> 01:50:47,750
you the truth but I haven't come up with

2451
01:50:52,510 --> 01:50:50,360
that idea yet so anything else enclosing

2452
01:50:54,730 --> 01:50:52,520
chin I think we wrap this up pretty

2453
01:50:56,980 --> 01:50:54,740
neatly or might happen I don't know

2454
01:50:58,450 --> 01:50:56,990
we're not we're not really working at

2455
01:51:00,490 --> 01:50:58,460
that hard

2456
01:51:03,220 --> 01:51:00,500
over the last few weeks it pretty much

2457
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:03,230
wrapped up a little while ago and we're

2458
01:51:06,729 --> 01:51:04,730
kind of waiting to see if anything else

2459
01:51:08,500 --> 01:51:06,739
would come from the other side of course

2460
01:51:11,470 --> 01:51:08,510
it really hasn't just for conversation

2461
01:51:12,970 --> 01:51:11,480
so I think we're almost certainly done

2462
01:51:15,790 --> 01:51:12,980
with this there's always a chance that

2463
01:51:17,220 --> 01:51:15,800
some more might come up but I think

2464
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:17,230
we're pretty well done with it okay

2465
01:51:22,540 --> 01:51:18,650
thank you

2466
01:51:24,580 --> 01:51:22,550
we're done I'm good all right so uh yep

2467
01:51:26,440 --> 01:51:24,590
JIT we're gonna wrap up we got a big

2468
01:51:28,030 --> 01:51:26,450
week coming up over the next week we've

2469
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:28,040
got three shows starting Sunday

2470
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:29,930
Professor Kevin Knuth is going to be

2471
01:51:35,020 --> 01:51:32,570
back with us and he has had a busy year

2472
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:35,030
in the last year at getting all in with

2473
01:51:40,750 --> 01:51:38,210
the UFO stuff but I had him on the show

2474
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:40,760
last summer so it's been a year since

2475
01:51:44,140 --> 01:51:42,290
I've spoken to him directly and that's

2476
01:51:47,140 --> 01:51:44,150
gonna be a lot of fun because he's had a

2477
01:51:48,700 --> 01:51:47,150
very interesting year getting more

2478
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:48,710
directly involved in the UFO material

2479
01:51:53,380 --> 01:51:50,930
and then we've got that derek gilbert

2480
01:51:55,650 --> 01:51:53,390
tuesday night who is a christian

2481
01:51:59,110 --> 01:51:55,660
broadcaster is going to be hosting a

2482
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:59,120
conference coming up shortly we're gonna

2483
01:52:05,260 --> 01:52:01,360
talk in a lot of detail about that and

2484
01:52:07,930 --> 01:52:05,270
then we've got thursday night we've got

2485
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:07,940
mr. Rudnick atella tell the folks at

2486
01:52:13,330 --> 01:52:10,610
home a little bit about mr. rudbeck mary

2487
01:52:15,550 --> 01:52:13,340
yes you know i actually did a two and a

2488
01:52:18,459 --> 01:52:15,560
half hour interview with him today he's

2489
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:18,469
a fascinating individual and you know

2490
01:52:24,209 --> 01:52:21,530
what I'm just gonna go ahead and hold

2491
01:52:26,590 --> 01:52:24,219
off on talking about him for right now

2492
01:52:28,209 --> 01:52:26,600
yeah we have three shows scheduled next

2493
01:52:30,459 --> 01:52:28,219
week so it's good it's gonna be a beat

2494
01:52:32,170 --> 01:52:30,469
we got more stuff coming this is uh you

2495
01:52:33,790 --> 01:52:32,180
know kind of an afterthought but that we

2496
01:52:36,100 --> 01:52:33,800
want to get this done because quite

2497
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:36,110
frankly nobody else is doing it so we

2498
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:38,239
wanted to get it finished happening yeah

2499
01:52:42,010 --> 01:52:39,920
so I'd everybody you have a great night

2500
01:52:43,780 --> 01:52:42,020
enjoy your weekend and it's gonna be

2501
01:52:45,970 --> 01:52:43,790
Sunday night when we're back with press